Russia's combat losses in the data of Rosstat

(rosstat-leaks.com)

65 points | by mxschumacher 17 hours ago ago

26 comments

  • A1kmm 15 hours ago ago

    So the graph shows heavy U07 "Emergency use of" codes, which are reserved for emergency allocation of codes. U07.0 is "Vaping-related disorder" for that epidemic, and U07.1 is COVID-19. U07.2 is for inconclusive, possible COVID-19 (not as widely used).

    This data claims U07 is the second high cause for 2024-2026. That seems very high unless the code is being misused / applied for something else, or the data is wrong.

    For comparison:

    * US has no infectious disease causes of death in the top 10 for 2024. * India's most recent data release is 2022-2024, and cardiovascular disease tops the list, with neoplasms (cancer), non-infectious respiratory disease, and digestive disease ahead of respiratory infection (all combined). It isn't presented by ICD-10 code exactly.

    So that U07 as late as 2024 is unusual unless there's some other huge emergency the code is being used for that has escaped much attention, or it is also being used for war deaths perhaps.

    • throwaway74354 14 hours ago ago

      >This data claims U07 is the second high cause for 2024-2026

      The range is 2020-2026 with peak during 2021-2022 and regions with high air pollution being overrepresented. It's a COVID-related long tail.

    • Lwerewolf 15 hours ago ago

      Very off-topic, but we're on a tangent to the whole site anyways.

      Afaik, India has very low BMI on average. Why the prevalence of cardiovascular diseases? Could also be that "tops the list" still means relatively small amount of cases relative to the... let's say developed world.

      • tupac_speedrap 15 hours ago ago

        Well Northern India has the most polluted air in the world at the moment, or it did a few days ago at least, that probably doesn't help

    • libertine 14 hours ago ago

      I believe before the second invasion of Ukraine in 2022 the reporting of casualties of war was made illegal.

      So they've prepared and have been trying hard to hide this catastrophic failure from which there probably won't be a recovery.

      It wouldn't be shocking if different codes would be used to report casualties of war.

      The disconcerting to see glimpses of the inner workings of a system where corruption is an institution.

    • isodev 11 hours ago ago

      Just because we don’t talk about it, doesn’t mean Covid (or its long-lasting effects) has disappeared.

      Putin’s Nazis terrorising the region probably exacerbated pre existing conditions.

      • the-dude 8 hours ago ago

        Considering the atrocities the actual Nazis's commited in Russia during the second world war and the sacrifices the Soviets made to defeat them, you should be ashamed of yourself.

        I am not Russian, nor Ukrainian, nor German.

        • MiroslavPokorny an hour ago ago

          I have no doubt that millions of Russians were sacrificed in horrible ways to defeat the Nazis, but that doesnt change the fact Russia has a LONG history of being a very cruel master to not only its own people but its neighbours.

          The greatest enemy of the common nobody Russian is unfortunately their own brothers and rulers. Today we are seeing a genocide of many non Russian peoples on the fronts against Ukraine. It may not be a called a final solution but it will be remembered as this in the future when people learn more of what really feed the Russian monster against Ukraine and for the past few hundred years of imperial expansion.

        • thisislife2 2 hours ago ago

          Indeed the revisionist history emerging from the West on World War 2, that tries to minimise the role of Russia in defeating the Nazis is particularly concerning. Especially when it is also coupled with racist Nazi- like languages used to mobilise support for the Ukrainians, by some of the Europeans ("the people of Ukraine are blue-eyed blonde, white, Christians like us"), while also completely turning a blind eye against the ongoing genocide in Gaza. More than 10 million Asians and Africans died in World War 2, in a war that they didn't want to be, and so we too are quite sensitive to any attempt that now seeks to minimise the disgusting politics of the Nazis or imperialism, while some in Europe want another World War ...

          • ethanwillis 2 hours ago ago

            What does most of their education system and monuments say for the dates of WW2?

            If you want to talk about revisionist history don't make it one sided.

        • thinkski 8 hours ago ago

          The 20,000 Poles massacred near Katyn would disagree with the idea of Soviet sacrifice as stated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

        • hkpack 8 hours ago ago

          Tell us about these atrocities and about the sacrifices of the poor Soviets please.

  • ChrisArchitect 11 hours ago ago
  • epolanski 15 hours ago ago

    To put it in perspective, that's almost as many losses US sustained between WW2 and Vietnam combined.

    But, to put it on a more relevant Russian scale: that's less losses than what the Soviet Union suffered in Stalingrad alone and barely more than those sustained in the battle of Rzhev.

    In any case, Russians were going through a major demographic crisis, and this might be a catastrophic event that with current low birth rates may radically change the face of Russia in the very next decades.

    • bad_haircut72 14 hours ago ago

      China has an oversupply of men from a different kind of demographic mismanagement. Now Russia has an oversupply of women relative to the number of men. As they are allies (sortof?) this seems like 2 problems that make up a solution (Xenophobia aside). In short Russia may win the war (looking less likely) and still fail/weaken as a socio-cultural entity. China will expand westward and Russia will end up much weaker.

      • rfwhyte 7 hours ago ago

        This has always been my main geo-strategic point of befuddlement with the Russian war in Ukraine. NATO, as much as Putin and the Russian hawks like to prattle on about it, is in fact no real threat to Russian sovereignty. The European's mostly just want Russia to leave them alone, and so NATO primarily exists to disincentivize Russian aggression towards Europe.

        Russia and Western Europe also don't really have any historical grievances / grudges that would serve as a Casus Belli for a hot war, nor has NATO ever shown even a shred of aggression towards any other states, and so some imagined potential NATO aggression towards Russia is a pretty poor excuse for a war in the first place, but that's not even the main blunder Russia is making here, as by fighting an imagined enemy they are making themselves much weaker in the face of their real enemy China.

        China, on the other hand has the whole historical Manchuria grievance with Russia, has their own looming ecological and demographic collapses that will put pressure on the CCP to distract the Chinese people from their internal failings, and has shown an increasing appetite expansionism / imperialism and for getting into proxy or even direct conflicts with their neighbors, and so far more than the "West" / NATO, China is Russia's true geo-strategic adversary.

        By sending a generation of their young men into meat grinder of the Ukrainian front, and by simultaneously weakening their own military-industrial base whilst strengthening China's, Russia is all but ensuring they'll be in a far weaker and easier to pressure / defeat state whenever China inevitably turns their expansionism and aggression towards Russia.

        Putin is basically trading Russia's future for his own legacy, and I genuinely don't understand how more Russian's don't see this.

        • thisislife2 3 hours ago ago

          - Russia and Western Europe also don't really have any historical grievances

          Have you read their history? Two world wars, the cold war, the dissolution of the USSR and the attempt at rapprochement by Gorbachev and Yeltsin (the reunification of Germany, allowing it join NATO, offering to join NATO themselves etc.) and now the Russian grievance of what they consider a betrayal of the promise to not expand NATO eastward ...

      • claykkari 11 hours ago ago

        Surplus women in Russia are mostly 40+ though [0], so pairing them up with Chinese surplus dudes won't do much for fertility rates.

        [0] https://www.populationpyramid.net/russian-federation/2026/

        • rfwhyte 7 hours ago ago

          Not to mention the insurmountable cultural differences. Your average Chinese woman would want absolutely nothing to do with your average Russian man, and they certainly wouldn't want to move from modern and prosperous China to decrepit and declining Russia to marry one.

          • kvemkon 4 hours ago ago

            It must be Chinese man and Russian woman.

    • OCTAGRAM 9 hours ago ago

      Crimean population gave +1.8 mln. Population of ex-Ukrainian SSR was around 35mln., now estimated as 22mln., and some of that difference moved to Russia.

    • Svoka 12 hours ago ago

      What is russia today hosted about half of soviet population, even after all the forced relocations.

  • esFran 8 hours ago ago

    It is a real tragedy for the Russian people to have to endure this totalitarian government, which embarks on inexplicable conflicts just to extend the borders of the LARGEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD by a few kilometers. It makes absolutely no sense to deploy—and subsequently lose—one’s army for such a cause.

    But I have to ask: who is going to be left holding the bag for this shitty war? I suspect that neither Putin nor his inner circle will want any of the blame to stick to them, even though they are the ones who masterminded it. The military must be a hotbed of chaos and internal tension right now; they have borne the brunt of the casualties, and, in all likelihood, they are about to face a major purge. I imagine Putin is relying on a handful of highly loyal generals—like Gerasimov—while the rest probably can’t stand him.

    Will the regime survive if this ends in some sort of thinly veiled, backroom deal that fails to lift the sanctions imposed by Europe—by far its former primary trading partner?

    • MiroslavPokorny an hour ago ago

      Russia may be large but its actually a very damned place.

      Just look at its borders most are frozen and it is effectively land locked with access via the Baltic and Black sea completed locked in.

      It may be large, the numbers may appear also big, but its actually a terrible place to live compared to most other places. All that cold and conditions are nothing more than a prison, for both enjoyment and mental wellbeing and a large reason why so many there are alcholics on a scale you probably have no concept about.

      A large reason why its so big is because most of it is so harsh nobody else wanted to conquor it. Theres a reason why China with its thousands of years of imperial history never took Siberia or even went that much more north than it is today.

  • jjtheblunt 7 hours ago ago

    i wonder how many of the Russian losses were conscripted inmates convicted of violent crimes, thereby effecting a perhaps purposeful pogrom of criminals.

    • MiroslavPokorny an hour ago ago

      Russia is a country of over a 100 different cultures and peoples. There are multiple levels of more equal people. As you probably know Pregoshin was the genius behind emptying Russian prisons and putting those men on the front line. Many non European peoples in the east or even the artic areas are not only poor they are also basically forced through poverty and selected recruitment policies to fight on the front line. You probably dont appreciate that Moscow and Leningrad are very much first above everyone else.