Port 0: The Port That Does Not Exist

(acid.vegas)

37 points | by NewCzech 6 hours ago ago

12 comments

  • afn 4 hours ago ago
  • greggsy 4 hours ago ago

    I saw the URL and immediately thought it was about Acid Pro DAW or Vegas video editor is used to use back in the early 00’s.

  • 99harry 2 hours ago ago

    Sometimes I have scripts that automatically assign ports starting from 30000. How would that work? Would I have to bind to port 0 multiple times until I randomly get a port in that range?

    • _flux 18 minutes ago ago

      I'm not quite sure what a script assigning ports actually does, but if I need an app to bind a port in some port range, I just start binding ports starting from 30000 until it succeeds.

      If it's in a script then that might be difficult, but a racy approximation could be to loop e.g. listening socat with different ports for finding the free port. (Or maybe: parse output of ss.) But if the port use is separate from the port binding, then it might still be busy once the time to rebind it comes.

    • 0bytes an hour ago ago

      I’m not exactly sure if that’s the question, but the range can be set. Here’s the Linux solution: https://tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edi... FreeBSD has net.inet.ip.portrange

      • 99harry 34 minutes ago ago

        That might not quite fit my use case. My AI-generated scripts probably won't modify system-level configuration files to change the port range

        • Zambyte 4 minutes ago ago

          ... do you not have a say in the matter?

  • justsomehnguy 12 minutes ago ago

    I have a feeling what sometimes :0 is interpreted as a 'first listening'. But Occam says what most of the time it's just 'DNAT dst port ANY to :80' or whatever, no magik.

  • embedding-shape 4 hours ago ago

    I'm not sure how I'd do acceptance/E2E testing without the magic of port 0. As long as you have a way of capturing what port it ended up using (which most languages are able to out of the box more or less), parallelizing testing workloads becomes such a breeze without having to manage ports and all that jazz, just fire everything up with N parallism and let the OS figure out what the free ports are, pass the references down and stuff just works. Thanks Linux :)

    • wolrah 22 minutes ago ago

      > I'm not sure how I'd do acceptance/E2E testing without the magic of port 0.

      Same as anything else, an explicit flag to achieve the same "just give me a port" functionality as this "magic number" does without resulting in the documented unpredictable behavior around a technically legitimate port number.

      As the article points out, most if not all of the services exposed on port 0 seem to be accidental and likely resulted from people assuming this magic behavior applies everywhere instead of just to one specific API.

    • Joker_vD an hour ago ago

      And then there is OpenSSH...

          joker@joker:~$ ssh localhost -D 127.0.0.1:0
          Bad dynamic forwarding specification '127.0.0.1:0'
          joker@joker:~$ ssh localhost -D 127.0.0.1:9999
          ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
          joker@joker:~$ ssh localhost -L 127.0.0.1:0:localhost:8080
          Bad local forwarding specification '127.0.0.1:0:localhost:8080'
          joker@joker:~$ ssh localhost -L 127.0.0.1:9999:localhost:8080
          ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
      
      Oh well.
  • skinfaxi 5 hours ago ago

    Seems hugged?