69 comments

  • porphyra 17 hours ago ago

    Servo is really great: Rust seems like a no brainer choice for a modern web engine, and its clean, performance-focused design from the ground up is wonderful.

    But it seems really hard for it to get anywhere just based on occasional contributions from volunteers. I was actually quite surprised that basic functionality like <progress> and the :checked attribute were not even supported prior to this release.

    Servo got 527 commits, while Chromium has over 20,000 commits.

    • dnautics 9 minutes ago ago

      > Rust seems like a no brainer choice for a modern web engine,

      Why? Beacuse of memory safety?

      It's a shame that there aren't other memory safe low-level options that don't come with the rest of the baggage of rust, or try out different paradigms, for example: not defaulting to malloc (and having other allocator options that aren't painful), not using trait-based shared behavior, not using macros, no turbofish, object orientation (for those who partake), etc.

    • btown 17 hours ago ago

      Part of this, as others have noted, is due to: https://book.servo.org/policy/ai-usage.html

      > Can I submit a PR that includes code generated by AI tools?

      > No. This includes (but is not limited to) all generative AI tools like Claude, Codex, ChatGPT, Cursor, Gemini, and Windsurf.

      For something like a browser, this de facto limits the set of people who can contribute to something that touches the layout engine (e.g. the ineffable but brilliant https://github.com/servo/servo/blob/main/components/layout/f...) to just those already familiar with the code.

      A much better middle ground IMO would be to quarantine first-time committers behind an AI-generated-PRs-will-not-be-reviewed policy, but to allow those who understand and respect the cycle enough to get PRs accepted, to begin using AI to give the team leverage. Without some kind of policy like that, Servo's sadly going to fall behind literally any other open-source project that people could dedicate their time towards.

      • fabrice_d 16 hours ago ago

        Servo is already lacking reviewers. How would accepting AI contributions help?

        • alfiedotwtf 6 hours ago ago

          I was excited in 2014 when I discovered Rust, because it just totally made sense that it was where the future of coding was moving to.

          Now, in 2026 I’m excited by LLMs because the combo of Rust+AI is literally an unstoppable force..

          It’s a shame they’re building the Lamborghini of rendering engines but refuse to source parts unless it’s delivered on horseback

      • cowlevel 9 hours ago ago

        Why not use AI to help familiarize yourself with it?

        By the time you understand it you shouldn't need AI to write changes. First-time committers are the ones most likely to use AI.

        • cleansy 2 hours ago ago

          This is covered in the FAQ. AI may help you, but oftentimes the assumptions about the code are either noisy or simply wrong.

      • darkamaul 16 hours ago ago

        > > No. This includes (but is not limited to) all generative AI tools like Claude, Codex, ChatGPT, Cursor, Gemini, and Windsurf

        Based on the tool listed here, you can probably know when this policy was first written. For instance, Windsurf is long gone and Cursor is not tier 1 anymore.

        Crazy to think how much the space of AI coding agent has evolved in less than 2 years.

      • Hendrikto 5 hours ago ago

        We have got enough AI slop, and it is very easy to produce more. I am happy somebody is trying a different route.

      • worldsavior 2 hours ago ago

        You can see how Ladybird is "progressing" right now because of AI. I think it's a shame because now AI would just be using parts from chromium or Firefox, and they're going to encouter eventually an unmaintainable codebase. How a new browser engine helps here then?

      • zarzavat 3 hours ago ago

        The solution is to fork. An indie browser engine needs LLMs to have any hope of ever catching up with the big 3.

    • eyjafjallajokul 11 hours ago ago

      > Rust seems like a no brainer choice for a modern web engine

      Well, I mean Servo was the original catalyst and production use-case for Rust back in 2012. Both are products of the work of various folks at Mozilla around the time.

      • throwup238 10 hours ago ago

        And large parts of the project replaced parts of Firefox like the renderer and CSS engine nearly a decade ago.

    • fabrice_d 16 hours ago ago

      There are not just volunteer contributions, but also people working full time on Servo: some at Igalia, and some at Huawei at least.

    • jeffbee 14 hours ago ago

      Language choice has next to nothing to do with browser performance. Servo's "performance-focused" design currently suffers from a 10x gap between it and Chrome on the same platform.

      • nicoburns 16 minutes ago ago

        For Style and Layout, Servo is now competitive (and in many cases faster) than Chrome / Firefox according to my benchmarks https://nicoburns.github.io/browser-layout-bench/

      • fabrice_d 12 hours ago ago

        10x gap on which benchmark?

        • jeffbee 12 hours ago ago

          Speedometer 3.1

          • fabrice_d 7 hours ago ago

            Your numbers seem very outdated. Testing on a MacBook Air M4, here's what I get:

            - Servo b88af263d11e12288ff3eca0848aaa675d6a52f0: 21.4

            - Chrome 157: 60.9

            - Safari 27.2: 59.2

            - Firefox 159: 41.0

            So between 2x and 3x slower than the current "big 3".

      • orangeboats 8 hours ago ago

        If you are determined enough you can even write V8 in assembly. But how many man-hours would that take?

        • MobiusHorizons 7 hours ago ago

          I think the benchmark is for layout performance not JavaScript execution, but v8 is fast because it emits assembly more so than because of the language it is implemented in. That said, I would be very surprised if there is not hand tuned assembly routines for performance critical routines.

          • orangeboats 6 hours ago ago

            My point was that while you can implement any performant program (be it V8 or Spidermonkey, Blink or Servo) in any language, the effort required to reach a certain performance level differs between the languages.

            >v8 is fast because it emits assembly

            It emits machine code afaik. And secondly, do you _really_ want to implement the intermediate layers of a JIT in assembly?

  • robin_reala 20 hours ago ago

    Remember that if you value Servo you can sponsor them, details at https://servo.org/sponsorship/

  • shakna 19 hours ago ago

    Progress got my attention.

    As an on-again off-again project, I've been building an incremental game that is pretty much just hundreds of progress bars - a little bit out of the norm for the browser.

    Firefox everything renders smoothly and gently.

    Chrome chugs, skips paints, delays animation frames, skips some events, and batches others.

    Game uses a few features that aren't in Servo yet... But maybe I can tweak it...

  • ericyd 21 hours ago ago

    It's heartening to see a large group of people working (mostly) for free on a passion project. Makes me optimistic about the resilience of intrinsic human drive.

  • caminanteblanco a day ago ago

    One of the things I find really helpful about servo (as a casual user) is the breadth of pre-built releases they have. It makes it much more feasible to actually use on a day-to-day basis, especially on android

    • npodbielski a day ago ago

      wow! they already have android apk? Awesome!

      • npodbielski a day ago ago

        login form on HN does not work, but servo is working! :D

        • caminanteblanco a day ago ago

          It was working a second ago (I made the parent comment from servo) but it looks like you get logged out pretty quickly. YMMV, plus probably best not to log into anything too important yet

          • npodbielski 19 hours ago ago

            I do not think HN is important :) But thanks for warning.

  • moderation a day ago ago

    The progress on Servo is impressive. UI polish is required in order to be more usable. Things like keyboard shortcuts to focus the address bar are required to make it feasible for more daily driving use

    • jszymborski a day ago ago

      My understanding is that the main focus is on the engine and building a good embedding API so that folks can build browsers (and apps and web drivers etc...) with it.

      • moderation a day ago ago

        That is my understanding too. In contrast Ladybird has really improved in the UI area and the recent addition of session restore, content blocking and performance makes it a very capable daily driver browser

    • nerdypepper 21 hours ago ago

      i've been hacking on my own browser using servo as a library! its lovely to interface with.

    • nerdypepper 17 hours ago ago

      i have been hacking on my own servo-based browser using gpui for macos: https://tangled.org/oppi.li/meridian/

  • hn_submit 10 hours ago ago

    Although Servo is great I believe Ladybird is already much further along and they're currently porting their codebase to Rust (it's currently in C++).

  • Weryj a day ago ago

    I want servo the succeed

  • walski 7 hours ago ago

    Is there a maintained fork that allows AI based or assisted contributions?

  • wild_pointer 17 hours ago ago

    Great progress

  • amelius a day ago ago

    With the advances in AI, I'd expect the Servo project to go a lot faster ...

    Do they allow vibe-coded contributions?

    • simonw a day ago ago

      Currently they do not: https://book.servo.org/policy/ai-usage.html

      > Contributions must not include content generated by large language models or other probabilistic tools, including but not limited to Copilot or ChatGPT. This policy covers code, documentation, pull requests, issues, comments, and any other contributions to the Servo project.

      > For now, we’re taking a cautious approach to these tools due to their effects — both unknown and observed — on project health and maintenance burden. This field is evolving quickly, so we are open to revising this policy at a later date, given proposals for particular tools that mitigate these effects.

      The references to ChatGPT and Copilot suggest it was authored before the Codex and Claude Code revolution. I wonder if they'll revise it at some point soon.

      Update: looks like that language was originally added in July 2024: https://github.com/servo/book/commit/5afb80d5b08b259ca359cfe...

      I found a discussion about changing it in April 2025, but they decided to keep it the same at that point: https://github.com/servo/servo/discussions/36379

    • kykat 21 hours ago ago

      Ladybird seems to be embracing vibe coding, so I think there's a great opportunity to compare them. After a couple of months of vibe coding what do you people here think about Ladybird's progress?

      • fabrice_d 12 hours ago ago

        You should rather check the tech debt after a few years.

    • tcdent a day ago ago

      About ready to switch to Servo as my daily driver on desktop.

      Have been using it as the render backend on an experimental tablet OS and its quite capable once you fix the font rendering.

      Would gladly upstream contributions but I dont type anymore.

    • phkahler 21 hours ago ago

      >> With the advances in AI, I'd expect the Servo project to go a lot faster ... >> Do they allow vibe-coded contributions?

      With an official automated test suite that they aim to pass, someone could probably set Claude loose on closing out those bugs and feature gaps. Assuming AI can figure out why tests fail (it probably can) I'd give it about a day to finish. Actually maybe a week since it'd be compiling RUST. Would the resulting code be of the same quality? Probably not. Would it be good? Maybe.

      • nicoburns 21 hours ago ago

        IME, agents are generally capable of passing the tests autonomously. But not with code you'd actually ever want to use. Both because of the quality, and because it will have awful performance/memory/security issues.

    • pkulak a day ago ago

      I think the sweet spot is not allowing vibe-coded contributions past a certain line count. At least, that's my policy. If you use an LLM to track down some bug that's a few lines to fix; that's fine. But if it's a new feature that needs 100s of lines; just make a feature request and if I agree, I can spin up my own clanker.

    • matkoniecz 21 hours ago ago

      > Do they allow vibe-coded contributions?

      are there serious projects welcoming vibe-coded PRs?

    • tormeh a day ago ago

      That was my thought as well. You'd imagine a known quantity like a browser should be easy to make now. I know it sounds ridiculous to anyone who hasn't tried the new models, but idk what to tell you. Photoshop used to be impossible to clone, too. I asked Opus 5.5 to add SSGI to an open source game and it did it in an afternoon. I don't know anything about graphics programming. This is nuts.

      • samus 15 hours ago ago

        Photoshop was never impossible to clone, and people have written browser engines before. The issue was never implementation complexity, but rather the things that are actually hard: going past the 99% of required features, hunting down corner cases, and at the same time ensuring high test coverage and maintainability.

      • matkoniecz 4 hours ago ago

        > You'd imagine a known quantity like a browser should be easy to make now.

        feel free to make one

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  • z3ratul163071 18 hours ago ago
    • matkoniecz 4 hours ago ago

      it is great that different projects take different approaches

  • domenkozar a day ago ago

    Sad to see Servo ban AI contributions.

    Feels like a missed opportunity where we could take a giant leap forward.

    • porphyra 17 hours ago ago

      The AI policy for Servo, which prohibits AI contributed code (but allows you to use AI to inspect and learn about the codebase), was written in mid-2024, which seems like an eternity ago.

      But even in June 2026 they reiterated this ban and added CI checks to automatically reject AI-coauthored patches [1].

      > For developers of Servo itself, please note that per project policy, you must not use the output of large language models or other generative AI tools in your contributions. To help us enforce that, we now have CI checks that reject AI agents as coauthors (@SimonSapin, @delan, #44723).

      [1] https://servo.org/blog/2026/06/30/may-in-servo/

    • nerdypepper 21 hours ago ago

      my read is that with the right guidance, implementing the vast amount of the CSS spec for example, could be done easily with some AI assistance, the spec is incredibly well defined. just comparing the layouting and styling in blitz[0] (which does use agents), servo is lacking quite a bit, and the implementation of various features don't follow the spec exactly.

      that being said, i entirely respect their decision of course, perhaps they will revisit at a later point in time!

      [0]: https://github.com/dioxuslabs/blitz

      • nicoburns 21 hours ago ago

        (I'm the maintainer of Blitz)

        My experience is that it varies greatly by feature.

        Something like border styles, the agent was able to do pretty effectively. Although it still took a few hours iterating on it to get the performance characteristics and edge cases right.

        More complex features like hoisting position absolute nodes and other layout features still take days to weeks of iterating to get something usable that isn't so fragile it'll blow up the next time you touch something.

      • fschuett 17 hours ago ago

        Yes, this was how I did it in Azul[1], which is „reverse engineered from the W3C spec“. But it still took a lot of „agentic debugging“ to get the same visual layout as Chrome[2]. It wasn‘t „easily“ done however and it‘s not yet stable.

        [1] https://azul.rs/ui

        [2] https://azul.rs/ui/reftest

      • 8NNTt8z3QvLT8tp 15 hours ago ago

        CSS isn't super well defined actually, at least not compared with HTML or JavaScript.

    • Y_Y 21 hours ago ago

      Giant leaps aren't typically the way to steady progress

    • matkoniecz 21 hours ago ago

      > For now, we’re taking a cautious approach to these tools due to their effects — both unknown and observed — on project health and maintenance burden. This field is evolving quickly, so we are open to revising this policy at a later date, given proposals for particular tools that mitigate these effects.

      seems entirely reasonable reason and approach, and I see no reason to force everyone approach LLM in the same way

    • iknowstuff 20 hours ago ago

      It’s kind of a wink wink situation. Language like this simply encourages developers to vet code written by AI thoroughly to avoid being caught with obvious slop.

      But as maintainers we (I don’t work on servo, but other projects) know that obviously people use AI anyway.

      • samus 15 hours ago ago

        That's good enough and would prove that one put effort into the PR. Which is exactly what that policy actually wants to achieve.

      • lanyard-textile 17 hours ago ago

        +1. If you submit code that was drafted by AI but vetted well by a human to not be obvious... Good :)

    • ravenstine 20 hours ago ago

      If you believe AI isn't still involved in contributions to Servo, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.