I built a drone with only one motor [video]

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266 points | by hakonjdjohnsen 13 hours ago ago

48 comments

  • TGower 3 hours ago ago

    Underactuated robotics are so cool. In the hobby BattleBots community, there is a design where the whole robot only has a single motor, but it's able to move in any direction and damage the opponent, all just by controlling the single motor's speed.

    Most robots have at least three motors, two drive sides and a weapon motor. The trick to getting away with one is integrating an impactor into the chassis of your bot, using the single wheel to spin up to ~3k RPM, then by tracking the rotation angle of the bot as it spins, you speed up a little while the wheel is pointing where you want to go, and slow it down a little when it's pointing the other direction.

    • Onavo 3 hours ago ago

      Well not just battlebots, real life 6th gen fighters now all lack the vertical stabilizer so they have to rely on very sensitive real-time software control of the elevator/spoilerons to do banks and yaws. Not sure if it counts as under-actuated but they are tremendously difficult to steer without computer control.

      • jmspring 6 minutes ago ago

        Is there a way to track what's going on in the battle bots community? It was pretty cliche, but battle bots was fun to watch in the 90s/2000s.

      • schiffern an hour ago ago

          >Not sure if it counts as under-actuated
        
        Generally these aircraft still have three+ actuators, they just replace the rudder with differential spoiler or split elevons. Three actuators, three axes. Same number, so it's not under-actuated.

        You're referencing the fact that it's dynamically unstable, and thus needs to be stabilized with a computer. That's a different thing.

        You can also have aircraft which are under-actuated yet are dynamically stable. One example is a parafoil, which achieves controlled flight using only two actuators (pull lines).

      • jmaw 2 hours ago ago

        I'm not super familiar with heavy equipment like dozers and such, but some of them may also have a single motor to pressurize hydraulic fluid and valves to articulate the various pistons. So may be able to make the argument there too

        • nomel 2 hours ago ago

          In that case, the valves/pistons pairs are all independent actuators. The hydraulic motor is more a constant power source for all of them.

          • muti 34 minutes ago ago

            Yeah, the analogy for drones is hydraulic piston -> electric motor and hydraulic pump -> battery

        • bluGill 2 hours ago ago

          That is common and you can't run two different cylinders at the same time. Depends on how the pump and valves are plumbed of course. Sometimes you can run more than one but you split power.

          • HPsquared 2 hours ago ago

            That sounds like it could be solved with more valves.

            • solyin an hour ago ago

              Or more power ;)

      • KolmogorovComp 2 hours ago ago

        > but they are tremendously difficult to steer without computer control.

        they are not humanly pilotable without computers. they are inherently unstable.

  • nadermx 2 hours ago ago

    This is well worth the entire watch. It feels like what would any hacker do in trying to figure out how to make something they want to exist. Also very well presented and good pace.

    Inspires me to try and start doing some robotics.

    • mikeyouse 2 hours ago ago

      Love the little side project of building a high resolution high speed camera to investigate the flutter.

      • JacobAsmuth an hour ago ago

        Only to figure out that the vibration in his drone was due to vibration and it was easily fixed by swapping to rotors that he should've used in the first place. Oh well! Live and learn.

  • _joel an hour ago ago

    This is from the same guy (Joshua Bird) that built the 4 axis 3d printer (and special algo for it too) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEgwnhLHy3g

  • leoedin 12 hours ago ago

    A really neat concept. It uses a special hinge design, a magnetic encoder and torque modulation to control the lift of the rotor as it spins. Completely negates the need for a conventional helicopter's swash plate.

    The single motor does have the pretty major downside that it spins the moment it's in the air. I suspect a 2 motor drone with a tail motor would be a lot more practical. But I really like how mechanically simple the rotor hinge design is - it pushes all the complexity into the control algorithm.

  • sastra 2 hours ago ago

    The Picocolissimo also uses only one motor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE47bcCxT_I

  • jcims 2 hours ago ago

    Side note, I used those same moteus controllers for a decidedly less energetic use case (two axis gimbal for RF satellite tracking) and found them to be super high quality and the lead developer always super helpful. Been a few years but def worth a look if you want to get into motor control.

  • mr_coffee 38 minutes ago ago

    Serious question - how do you even learn all of the skills to do something like this? Where would you start?

    • orliesaurus 22 minutes ago ago

      I wanted to learn more about photography, I started asking an LLM and it helped me immensively. Definitely not the same realm but if you wanna pick up new skills, LLMs have tons of beginner friendly ways to explain things!

    • whatever1 23 minutes ago ago

      Now with LLMs? Super easy. Just ask for step by step instructions to build a standard drone. You will learn about micro controllers, physics, pcbs, 3d printing etc.

      If you have some time available definitely worth it.

    • coderenegade 22 minutes ago ago

      A good engineering course would cover most (if not all) of the skills necessary to do this. This is notable because the person is young and wielding a broad slice of the discipline with maturity.

  • subprotocol 3 hours ago ago

    Reminded me of the Manhack: https://half-life.fandom.com/wiki/Manhack

  • justinator an hour ago ago

    Yeah that's probably the coolest thing I've seen all month. How could you not like this?

  • mogili 3 hours ago ago

    It's a pretty cool concept, however, fails to mention coaxial rotor design that has a single motor and has much simpler control systems. I am also curious on how this affects frame vibration.

    This is a newer trend in mechanical design that leverages more complex control software to overcome mechanical issues. A good example is https://turntide.com/

    • nomel 2 hours ago ago

      If I understand correctly, those are single rotor but NOT single motor. This is a single motor design, which is why it's neat. There are no additional control servos/motors.

    • stbtrax 2 hours ago ago

      It’s an entertainmening YouTube video not a phd thesis. Bizzare standard to hold him to

  • razster an hour ago ago
    • ddlsmurf 43 minutes ago ago

      gyroscopes drift over time, that's why typically you need a kalman filter to combine the strengths of various sensors, magnetometers, where available, are bad at resolution, but don't drift.

  • mainecoder 10 hours ago ago

    Amazing work this is really innovative and it could be applied to a larger drones provided that the margin of error is reduced.

  • tintor 2 hours ago ago

    How will this new tech affect the current drone war between Russia and Ukraine?

    Smaller, cheaper, more numerous offensive drones?

    • gpm an hour ago ago

      I strongly doubt adding a ton of extra weight in aerodynamic surfaces, and drag, and complex mechanical parts, to avoid a few motors/servos is worth it in that context.

      • solyin 36 minutes ago ago

        Every gram of weight you remove is another gram of explosive you can add. Also consider the difference in supply lines for aerodynamic surfaces and mechanic parts and motors and servos. If you have four hundred servos, you can make one hundred quadcopters, or four hundred of these things. If you only have one hundred control boards powerful enough to control the single motor design though, you can still only make one hundred. (Tho the quadcopter can lift 4x the weight)

        What's interesting is that the Ukrainians are building drones near their front lines because if they build them too far away and ship them in, the game has evolved and those drones are already yesterday's news.

        • coderenegade 5 minutes ago ago

          A fixed wing drone only needs one motor, the control is easier, and the physics are more favorable for carrying high ordnance. I'm skeptical that this is going to change much.

          It's cool in that it can hover and do quadcopter type flight with only a single motor, and it's that second part that is interesting, because a fixed wing can also do a prop hang, but it can't do quadrotor-like flight from there.

          It's usefulness is likely to be in other areas -- mainly applications where that flight mode is important.

    • nhma an hour ago ago

      This tech is more than a decade old, originally from UPenn AFAIK[0].

      [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=aEPf0QHVuMM

    • eimrine 2 hours ago ago

      maybe new breakthroughs for the darpa project. kamikazes drones do not need so advanced prop tbh it is against the idea of being cheap.

  • russellbeattie 3 hours ago ago

    It's incredible that changes in velocity still work to adjust the angle of the blades even at the insane speeds they're moving at. I would never have thought that was possible.

    I have to wonder why this guy didn't give his drone a leash while testing so it couldn't go flying off. It's the first thing that popped into my head, so I'm sure it's something he thought of as well and didn't use for a good reason. Maybe a string would get caught in the blades?

    • z3ugma 2 hours ago ago

      Possibly the fact that the TPU fin body doesn't stop all counterrotation so the leash would get twisted into a cord and interfere with flight?

  • johnnyApplePRNG 2 hours ago ago

    I am torn about drone tech now.

    I used to be super stoked about it.

    But watching drones kill civilians kind of ruined it. [0]

    Then again ... they do put a dent in superpowers powers apparently so ... like I said ... I am torn.

    [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/czdmrm6y7r0o

    • aeternum 2 hours ago ago

      To be fair, a lot of it is moving to drones killing drones.

      My prediction is that future wars will actually involve increasingly fewer humans and will be more about tech+manufacturing vs. tech+manufacturing. And of course insurgents + lowcost tech vs. increasingly nonlethal hightech.

      This would allow wars to continue without as much of the growing political backlash.

      • _joel an hour ago ago

        The next iteration is the drones removing those pesky humans from the command chain too :/

  • walrus01 2 hours ago ago

    There's also been a few people building monocopters with a fixed, non tilting motor and prop, and four servo motor actuated fins at the bottom that can be used for thrust vectoring and to counter rotational forces.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2cETOyuJ20

    • razster an hour ago ago

      Neat. I wonder if you could use the air it generates by having directional ports louvers that open and allow the air to flow for more control. Would need 2 more servo, left/right port louvers.

    • gspr 2 hours ago ago

      I love this angle so much! Do you know if there's been more detailed analysis of performance?