AI Can Make You Suck Faster Too

(hermit-tech.com)

70 points | by degamad 2 hours ago ago

77 comments

  • orwin 44 minutes ago ago

    I now started to us AI to help review my juniors PRs, because I couldn't keep up with the amount of code they ship. It started poorly, but now I have my method: I first read the code and flag the lines I'm not sure about, then ask any frontier model (I like Claude here for analysis, even if I don't use it for the rest) to explain the PR and to put effort on the parts I flagged (basically explain in detail the code, not only the PR), and to search through the libraries. Sometimes it notices something I would have missed (like missing an 'order_by' or off by one errors, because the underlying lib wasn't coded like the original AI pretended it was).

    I also changed the way I do review because it has been more than a year and the juniors/new hire are still lost, wether on domain knowledge for the older new hire, or just capabilities for the juniors, and discussing with other departments, it's the same for like 95% of them. Now, rather than correcting the PR or adding a request for change, I add a whole unit/functional test to the PR and let that as an exercise to pass the test. They can use AI but I tell them to try to find what part of the code doesn't work before generating the fix, hopefully they'll take ownership of the code if I keep doing that.

    • sixeyes 14 minutes ago ago

      >I tell them to try to find what part of the code doesn't work before generating the fix

      this makes me kinda sad. they don't do this on their own? are they not even a little curious

    • reconnecting 3 minutes ago ago

      I read your comment carefully, twice, and still don't see how it relates.

      An article with "AI" in the title doesn't automatically mean the discussion must accommodate all thoughts on LLM use in development.

  • padolsey 39 minutes ago ago

    Bit of a humbling/jarring moment when I realized that people are doing real paid work using LLMs that they could not otherwise do. I mean, it's quite obvious I suppose. But up until now I just assumed it was only a (massive) catalyst for things people would already be able to do with enough time. But nope -- it seems people are right now employed in roles that they would not be able to fulfil the tasks within if AI wasn't there telling them what to write/say/produce. Nobody is really going to come out and say that ... it's not something the less-AI-literate superiors would take kindly to.

    • tlamponi 5 minutes ago ago

        > people are doing real paid work using LLMs that they could not otherwise do
      
      FWIW, this is not exactly new; those same people were just using other sources like Stack Overflow, blog posts, etc. before, cobbling together random code snippets, libraries, and so on without actually understanding any of that at a relevant detail level.

      Sure, with LLMs, one can naturally tailor this much closer to the current need (or at least the need one thinks they have) and iterate ("spew") faster, but it's not a new phenomenon in general.

    • Gepsens 21 minutes ago ago

      But if the AI has a blindspot then they will fail hard since they rely on the LLM for everything.

    • Ampersander 12 minutes ago ago

      All those programmers who could not write fizzbuzz can ship something now.

  • sriniwasx an hour ago ago

    The code smell in my repos are at an all time high and I'm a senior dev, can't image how worse vibe coders have it.

    • Quothling an hour ago ago

      I think it depends on what area of the world you work. We recenty had one of our plant managers build a web portal to keep track of some of our operational tech, with features you wouldn't find in standard products. I've been turning it into a container app that can actually deploy safely into our cloud infrastrcture. It's quite frankly better quality than what most external software companies have provided us with in the past.

      Don't get me wrong. It's not great. It would never pass any of our policies for things that actually operate stuff on the power grid, but as an administrative tool that can live in total isolation from the vital networks. It's perfectly fine. It's also not like we would have hired the best software companies to build it otherwise. We'd hire some low-level cheap consultant house who would then likely get cheap student labour to build it. With that in mind though, the AI is much better than what the realistic alternative would be.

      Money wise it's also cheaper. It's been roughly €1000 + the time it's taken us both. If I had known they were doing it, I would have rolled out the developer cowork app/skills/whateveryoucallconfigurationsthesedays to them. This would have avoided their AI building it to be depoyed on a VM rather than in our managed k8s in our Azure. It would also have written the code a little different, used UV and maybe django rather than flask. But hey. For what it is, it's like a 90% cost saving compared to buying what would've been a less maintainable and lower quality system.

      I think perhaps the greater issue will be finding people who want to extract the gold from the heap of shit and getting it to run in production. I don't personally mind, but it's not like any of my colleagues would've wanted the task.

      • reconnecting 35 minutes ago ago

        By coincidence, we've been building software for five years that other plant managers are now considering using to keep track of some operational metrics. And I don't think we should put LLMs into our development cycle, simply because the data our software is built for can have critical meaning in some situations.

        The insecurity in a vibe-coded web portal isn't that someone hacks it with XSS, it's that after the next vibe-coded release, some X quietly becomes −Y somewhere no one expects.

        From this perspective, having no software at all might be better, or as in your case, safer.

      • sriniwasx 25 minutes ago ago

        With the models we got at out disposal, you can easily deploy a kickass internal tool, it's fine even for mvp's unless you're not handling sensitive user data, shooting yourself in the foot is easier than ever, and talking about code smell for most application (especially frontend) does it even matter?

  • Zakis1 an hour ago ago

    > Uses only DeepSeek and comes to the conclusion that LLM's are bad at coding?

    Why not use actual frontier models, and you know do some real research, before writing a blog post?

    • big-chungus4 28 minutes ago ago

      DeepSeek has been the most used model on open router by far, only temporarily overtaken by ox alpha when it was free, so it's the most representative experience

      • Zakis1 13 minutes ago ago

        Ryanair is Europe's most popular budget airline. If I fly with them once can I write a blog post now calling all air travel miserable?

        My point is, there is a monumental difference between flying Ryanair and Emirates First Class for example.

    • wolvesechoes an hour ago ago

      > do some real research

      It is funny that only real research on productivity gains from AI shows at best very minimal gains, but AI bros will always tell you "no no no, you have used wrong model, try a different one, there are more of them, you have to try, trust me" and call that a "research".

      • Zakis1 23 minutes ago ago

        Ah yes I'm an AI bro because I said the author must do thorough testing before coming to a conclusion about LLM's.

        Looking forward to the authors next blog post on how after driving one car they find that all cars are slow and uncomfortable. Then the follow up after trying one phone and that all phones have bad cameras and battery life.

      • tonis2 42 minutes ago ago

        Show me the research you are talking about.

    • cheeze an hour ago ago

      It doesn't fit the narrative that they need to adhere to. I'm a skeptic through and through, but yeah... This article reads like propaganda.

  • dmos62 7 minutes ago ago

    AI does make me suck more, which is a good thing. It sped me up and has me iterating on things in 3 days that normally would have taken me more than a month to do. Surprise, surprise: I'm discovering that I have a lot of blind spots and false presumptions about what good programming is. My understanding of the craft is patchy, but that wasn't as noticable when going at the speed of human-programming.

    It's sort of like cars. If you only ever drive at 30 km/h, a 30 yo car that had its last oil change in 2008 might be great. But, if, in the same car, you start driving at 200 km/h, you might notice that there's a lot of room for improvement. My efficiency as programmer is the car in this metaphor.

  • pavlov 21 minutes ago ago

    > “after four years of open source LLMs, we should have three AirBnBs, two Stripes, and three Dropboxes thanks to the power of AI.”

    Airbnb, Stripe and Dropbox were created in a different time when the market was much less competitive.

    Saturation of software development velocity doesn’t increase large scale product opportunities in the market. It can also mean that opportunities get filled even more quickly by niche players, and nobody gets to grow to Airbnb scale.

    IMO the latter is what’s currently happening. AI-powered companies are like little mammals scurrying around between the feet of the dinosaurs, and commentators like the OP look at the evolution of the brontosaurus as evidence that the mammals don’t seem to be growing as they should.

  • dr_dshiv an hour ago ago

    “I wanted to see if I can get in on this 10x magic. I decided to put my money where my mouth was and I bought $10 worth of DeepSeek credits to use with a project I was working on.“

    Wow. I guess that’s the punchline!

    • reconnecting an hour ago ago

      I'm sure DeepSeek isn't the point here. You can change the name to whatever you prefer and the article still holds.

      Actually, I think the author put DeepSeek on purpose to avoid the obvious ChatGPT/Claude comparison — because whatever he chose, there would be a question of why model A and not B, while the point of the article isn't about models comparison at all.

      • terhechte an hour ago ago

        It is the point. Also open source model enthusiast tell you otherwise, there is a coding quality gap between these models. If I use DeepSeek, I do so knowing that I have to limit to simpler tasks on smaller, well specified prompts. What the author did, letting the model do the planning, is not something DeepSeek will excel at. I'm using GPT (Terra, Sol, Luna), Claude (Opus 5, Fable), Qwen 3.8 and GLM 5.3 Flash daily and have to vary which model I use where because there's a huge intelligence step function difference here. That's why this article is so useless:

        Imagine someone trying to make the case that riding bicycles is a terrible experience and their whole argument is that they took a random cheapo bike with flat tires and rode it for 3min and that wasn't fun. Sure, but if you buy a 25k carbon bike you will have a different experience. I'd not trust that person. If someone told me they have 10 bikes they ride daily and can explain the differences, in detail, between their bikes, and what they excel at. I'd trust that person's opinion.

      • jonplackett an hour ago ago

        I think the point is that $10 isn’t exactly a lot of money to put where your mouth is, nor a serious effort to see if it works.

      • paduc an hour ago ago

        Maybe the failure is in trying only one model / one prompt.

        • rootnod3 an hour ago ago

          Right. Better throw money at 5 different ones and then people come and tell you that you just need MORE agents and throw MORE money at it or you're not doing it right.

          • kuboble 41 minutes ago ago

            I am convinced coding agent makes me extra productive.

            I'm also convinced the effect would not be there If I had a 10$ budget.

            • swiftcoder 19 minutes ago ago

              > I'm also convinced the effect would not be there If I had a 10$ budget.

              Sure it would be. I pay $10/month to OpenCode for a Go subscription, it's fine for day-to-day coding tasks. I wouldn't necessarily try and one-shot a production app on that budget, but with decent planning and test-driven-development, it gets the job done

    • cheeze an hour ago ago

      I got here and... I agreed with everything up to this point.

      The author makes a good point. If you don't know what you're doing, AI accelerates that. No question.

      But they put a whopping... ten bucks into using DeepSeek and weren't impressed with the initial results.

      I know they try to cover this with "you just aren't prompting correctly!" but if, in 2026, you aren't able to have an LLM generate decent quality code... IDK what to tell you. Good luck I guess?

  • Lapalux 2 hours ago ago

    Pre-AI, the limiter on my bad code was how much code I could type in a day.....

    Now with AI I can 10x my output and 10x my bad code!

    • bwhiting2356 an hour ago ago

      Whoever is giving a bad coder resources and access will eventually stop

      • nomel an hour ago ago

        Nope. That would require the people paying for the code (those requesting the projects) to see something wrong with the code. As a coder, you would look in an see a mess. As a user they'll probably see something relatively nice, with some maybe strange behavior and non ideal, but what software sin't non ideal? It does most of what we wanted, and you finished it how fast!?

  • MrScruff an hour ago ago

    In general, the frontier models are not capable of reliably authoring non-trivial code without careful oversight yet. They are great at producing code that can pass tests, but not neccessarily a code review. This means if you care about code quality you still need a human in a loop understanding what has been done, and that becomes the bottleneck. And less disciplined folks will indeed become increasingly dependent.

    However, over time the complexity of problems where you can get away with less/no oversight is increasing. And the models are already great at solving certain classes of problems where one doesn't really care that much about code quality, that wouldn't have even been attempted in a pre-LLM world. Over the weekend I was using Claude to add features to the compiled (no source available) firmware of one of my audio devices, adding workflow features by patching assembly and custom DSP code.

    In coding, as with other areas, what's emerging is jagged intelligence.

  • benrutter 7 minutes ago ago

    > Borrowing Disesdi's logic in their arithmetic (which is hard to argue against), after four years of open source LLMs, we should have three AirBnBs,1 two Stripes,2 and three Dropboxes3 thanks to the power of AI. > > So. Where the fuck are they?

    I think this is a great question, and I have a completely unqualified theory.

    I work in a fairly specialised field, I've notice when I use AI to try to generate code in fields where I'm very experienced, it produces a worse output at a slower rate than I can produce manually[0].

    When I use it in fields I'm not an expert in by any stretch, like webdev, genAI massively improves my output by a huge factor.

    I think this makes the productivity gains a little fuzzy. Claude code makes me 10x faster at webdev, but I'd be a very slow webdev. Ultimately, the next innovation in a field, will probably be from an expert in that field, and they therefore won't see the kind of "10x productivity boost" that non-experts do.

    [0] I still find AI helpful for exploring code etc, just not so much producing output.

  • red_admiral 32 minutes ago ago

    > Most apps these days gather credit card details

    That's one of the few consumer-facing areas where there are still standards in place, namely PCI-DSS. As far as I know the audits require the name of a human who is responsible for payment security. Card companies can one-hit kill your startup if you're breaking those rules (maybe purely blockchain startups are exempt).

    Yes, you can offload this to stripe, but then your app should never see the card number and certainly not the CVV. You end up storing these, even by accident, both stripe and the card companies will hate you.

  • devmor 2 minutes ago ago

    When I do use it, I try to only use it to do things I can already do.

    I don’t want to solve a new problem with an LLM programming assistant anyways - that’s the fun part of my work, why would I get rid of it?

  • blfr an hour ago ago

    There are some good points, and I ask the question of where is the ground breaking stuff myself, but severely weakened by

    * stretching the timeline: the actual real programming ability appeared in LLMs in the last 6-8 months, not 3-4 years,

    * using the weakest possible tool: and I bought $10 worth of DeepSeek credits that is a far cry from Claude with Fable.

    Also, I know nothing about marathons but for most uses putting the app, database, and background processes on the same server is very much the right starting point. With the next steps being employing Cloudflare or similar solutions long before managing a fleet of servers.

    • Systemerror7A69 an hour ago ago

      Even as someone using AI on the regular I'm starting to hate the "You didn't actually use this exact most expensive model so your point is invalid" argument.

      This is fair to say if someones last experience with AI was copy-pasting code into GPT3 chat windows years ago, but Deepseek is a more than capabale model and enough for someone to get an informed opinion about the technology.

      If people have actual counter argument, use those. And if some of those counter argument are "What you say isn't possible, the neweste model can do and here are examples of that", that is fine.

      But a blanket "Nuh-uh, it wasn't Model X" is not only a poor argument but also automatically invalidates any criticism when a new, better model comes out - and that can't be the basis of a good argument.

      • smokel 42 minutes ago ago

        In this case, the argument is valid though. Only recently have some of the models become powerful enough (for some) to actually be useful in day to day programming, without too much hand-holding. For most, this change occurred with the introduction of Claude Opus, and OpenAI and Google have caught up. Unfortunately, none of the "open" models is at this level yet.

        The field is moving fast, and asking for scientific arguments is not realistic. It takes an extreme amount of effort to show what exactly is different.

        We were in a similar position with static vs dynamic typing for decades. There is still no scientific proof that one is better than the other, but it is quite obvious to professionals which flavor works better in a given situation.

        So, even though the argument might be sloppy, I subscribe to it. Using DeepSeek to dismiss better models is the bad argument here.

        Edit: added "(for some)" as a disclaimer that you still need to be a fairly decent programmer to actually benefit.

    • Marazan an hour ago ago

      I remember being told in early 2025 that only now has "real programming ability" appeared in LLMs.

      And since then there's been 3 more "now real programming ability has been made available and previous stuff was just toy examples" cycles (summer 2025, winter 2025 and spring 2026)

      Looking forward to the next "everything before this was trivial and bad, here's the good stuff" moment

      • Ampersander 5 minutes ago ago

        Yeah, it's interesting how the current thing is always the end of programming, but then when a new thing comes it turns into absolute trash that can't be used for anything.

    • uxhacker an hour ago ago

      Is the issue that nobody has come up with the idea for the great ground breaking ideas?

      Or B that the ideas are there but are not get released as the code is ai slop?

  • reconnecting an hour ago ago

    'Or else admit this is a dopamine game that makes you feel like The Universe's Most Special Programmer™ when it's really just gamified mass-scale intellectual dependency.'

    Disesdi Shoshana Cox

  • Havoc 19 minutes ago ago

    > we should have at least a handful of AirBnBs or Dropboxes

    Neither was ever about some bottleneck on pumping out code and everything about marketing and network effects

  • trvz 42 minutes ago ago

    I don't disagree with the title of this weblog post, but its premise is wrong: the existence of AI has an impact on the total number of tech companies, but not on the number of companies that make it real big (the AirBnBs, Stripes and Dropboxes the author is looking for).

  • jtrn an hour ago ago

    I have a coffee cup with the writing "Do stupid thing faster with cafe". That's how I feel about myself when I use AI carelessly... The speed with which I can make a mess is astronomical!

  • ilitirit an hour ago ago

    I tried really hard to get senior management to understand this where I work. Yes, AI is an accelerator, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to accelerate you in the "right" direction.

  • lelanthran an hour ago ago

    Previously, the limit on bad code entering any serious product was gated by having devs that at least knew how to change what they copied from SO.

    Seriously, that was the lowest level of skill I saw in 30 years of development.

    Now we have people who can't even do that proudly showing off PRs to widely used products.

    "B-b-but I do the systems design and hard thinking".

    Sure, buddy.

    • Gigachad an hour ago ago

      At least once a week I have to drop what I'm doing and race in to stop the non dev manager from merging a fully vibe coded patch which will blow up production. Claude Code has made this guy a negative 10x developer.

      • bwhiting2356 an hour ago ago

        how does this non dev manager have perms to do this

        • imafish an hour ago ago

          He's the manager - that's like corporate root privileges

          • Ekaros 43 minutes ago ago

            Manager has rights to approve themselves... Access control working as designed.

            • bravetraveler 37 minutes ago ago

              At worst, needs another manager to approve. Now they can both saddle up on the velocity/time to market wave... together. The racket begins in earnest.

              How does a manager do this, they ask? I answer: the same way they do everything. Lunch. If it doesn't work, at least they tried! Deck chairs, Titanic, etc.

  • coatmatter an hour ago ago

    If one truly believes it's not in a bubble, then borrow and leverage an unlimited amount and bet the house & your family on creating a business with infinite growth and value. Don't know how to do your own prompts? Borrow and then hire others to do it for you. If those who you hire don't know, they can hire others too.*

    [* This is not financial advice. Please don't actually do this.]

    • dvt an hour ago ago

      You could make the converse argument, too: why don't you borrow and leverage and bet and short these AI companies, if you so vehemently think it's a bubble?

      The bottom line is that markets are complicated, useful technologies are often accompanied by bubbles, investors are not always rational, and people generally try to make the best decision with the information they have available. The answer is likely somewhere in the middle, but that's a lot more boring and a lot less inflammatory.

      • generic92034 an hour ago ago

        > You could make the converse argument, too: why don't you borrow and leverage and bet and short these AI companies, if you so vehemently think it's a bubble?

        Because going long and going short are very different. For successfully shorting something you need to have a pretty precise estimate of when the crash will happen. Being a comparatively short time off can cost you everything.

      • Joel_Mckay 42 minutes ago ago

        You mean for companies that make -$2.50 for every $1 of revenue, and bury their groups $2Tn debt in a footnote?

        It is not a question of if the bubble will go, but when... but you are right that Bears or Bulls always get it wrong predicting the future (if they are a legal investor.)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTiYaWFP59Q

        Personally, Shrek movie release correlation with market corrections is funny, and a new film is due June 2027. Please hedge your bets with a diversified portfolio. =3

    • joha4270 an hour ago ago

      While I do believe its a bubble, that seems like a silly viewpoint that presumes infinite risk tolerance.

      • orwin 42 minutes ago ago

        Going long is not infinite, you only risk what you bet.

  • spiderfarmer an hour ago ago

    Why does it have to lead to a 10x increase in revolutionary companies?

    Next to maintaining and expanding my own network of websites I 10xd writing boring CRUD applications for companies that were otherwise unable to afford it, making all their employees more productive. There's true economic value in that.

    • oblio 44 minutes ago ago

      This is fine, but software also needs maintenance, especially security updates. If we have an explosion of new software without the corresponding increase in maintenance work - very likely from clients that pay peanuts for software - the world will be taken over by botnets and malware.

      It's going to be a worldwide software experiment.

  • mikenew an hour ago ago

    > The chatbot recommended some of the dumbest shit you could possibly do

    The "I tried it and it sucked" is borderline conspiratorial at this point. There are enough talented, thoughtful developers saying there's something real here, and it is worth believing them and investing some time to understand it, even if you come out the other side and decide you don't want to use LLMs.

    Use a very good model. Set up a good harness. Spend some time on your system prompts and skills. Develop your intuitions about how the model works, what it's good at, how to scope the work, and how to steer it. Recognize when it's alleviating menial work and recognize when it's making choices you really need to understand yourself. Be patient and accept that the failures are going to be very painful for a while.

    Don't write it off until you've genuinely seen the upsides.

    • nottorp an hour ago ago

      You describe my experience with Claude (except my gut feeling is that system prompts and especially skills are useless, and I've even done limited testing that agrees with that).

      However, your discourse is not the usual borderline religious discourse that's used by LLM advocates. You're not extreme enough either pro or against LLMs :)

      • mikenew 43 minutes ago ago

        Ha, well that's good because I would hate to be labeled an "LLM advocate". I've been on the negative side of the conversation many times, and I think the downsides are very real and often ignored. But calling them useless is just not reality.

        As far as system prompts and skills, my approach has been to start with nothing and add very specific instructions as I notice issues or feel like I need them. Mostly around trying to keep it terse, kill the obnoxious rhetoric ("It's not X. It's Y"), and give specific guidance on how to write code. Skills are things like "use edge-tts to generate spoken audio for this answer and send it to me" kind of thing.

      • wongarsu 42 minutes ago ago

        > except my gut feeling is that system prompts and especially skills are useless

        I tend to agree. Not with the extreme version of this statement: there are some genuinely useful instructions I give in my Claude.md and prompts. Comment style, how much to push back, which subagents to orchestrate for tests, reviews, etc.

        But I've tried the single-sentence versions of those and versions with multiple files of long prompts for the orchestrator and its subagents, and I can't tell the difference in output quality. If anything, the shorter version is better

        • nottorp 33 minutes ago ago

          > Comment style, how much to push back, which subagents to orchestrate for tests, reviews, etc.

          Are those "skills" or just instructions?

          My definition for "skills" is the "you are the greatest software architect ever born" type bullshit.

    • bigstrat2003 an hour ago ago

      > Don't write it off until you've genuinely seen the upsides.

      This is ridiculous. Basically you're saying "if you try it and find it sucks, you're wrong, keep at it until you change your mind". That isn't a tool at that point, it's a religion.

      • MattPalmer1086 an hour ago ago

        No, it just means you have to learn to use the tool well.

  • shevy-java an hour ago ago

    AI is like a tool used by mega-corporations to change the world according to what they want. We see this with the increase in RAM prices. I don't want to pay the overprice here - AI companies owe us money. People seem still mostly in the AI hype phase, but a lot more criticism has amplified in the last months. It is only a matter of time until the hype phase is over.

  • imafish an hour ago ago

    His AI experience is $10 of DeepSeek - but I think he is right anyway in the main points.

    You can most definitely ship crap much faster than you used to. It's obvious to anyone when you're shipping crap. And it seems everywhere I look people are shipping crap. Both software and writing.

    The hardest part of shipping quality software is not and has never been "writing the code". The hard parts are product taste, architecture and ensuring your product actually solves the problems it should in an efficient and secure manner.

    If you don't have an intuition of those, you will likely still be shipping crap. Just faster.

    • MattPalmer1086 an hour ago ago

      Yep, using AI to remove your thinking process and judgement, and just let it generate stuff as fast as possible, will definitely make you ship crap faster! If you did the same thing with a junior developer you would get the same result.

      Where AI shines for me is accelerating the learning and exploration process. I can get up to speed with new tech fast. It is good at spotting issues in designs and code. It can knock out quick tests or benchmarks to support me. The quality of what I can produce with AI support is much higher than I could without it.

      So it really just depends on what you use it for. If the goal is "replace humans and ship fast" that's one thing. If the goal is "explore the problem space in greater depth", it's another.

  • bwhiting2356 an hour ago ago

    > three AirBnBs, two Stripes, and three Dropboxes

    you want more SaaS?

  • pacifika an hour ago ago

    If you don’t understand how the sausage was made you have made legacy sausage.

    • bwhiting2356 an hour ago ago

      when I tell codex to build me a chat app and it uses gpt-4o

    • imafish an hour ago ago

      If you don’t understand how the sausage was made, do you even know if it's sausage?

  • swiftcoder 27 minutes ago ago

    > and ruining the quality of internet search engines.

    Tbf, I'm not sure we can really lay this one at the feet of GenAI. The SEO bros had pretty thoroughly ruined search before LLMs took off - the process just accelerated a little at that point.