UK sovereign LLM inference

(relax.ai)

79 points | by benjamintnorris 2 hours ago ago

66 comments

  • pjc50 2 hours ago ago

    Could we have a bit more "who and where" on this please? "Relax.ai by Civo", great, who are Civo? Where's the datacenter? What's the corporate structure? UK resident founders?

    • fmajid an hour ago ago

      Civo is a UK cloud provider known mostly for its low-cost Kubernetes hosting service (albeit with fairly expensive storage).

    • dagi3d an hour ago ago

      what's preventing you from going to their website? op has linked directly to the documentation, so that info is not necessary expected to be there

      • Planktonne an hour ago ago

        OP should have linked to the website rather than the documentation; that would have provided more immediate context for the discussion.

        • dagi3d an hour ago ago

          It depends on who you ask

      • pornel an hour ago ago

        > what's preventing you from going to their website?

        Lack of links.

        It's a common annoyance when subsections of a site fail to link back to the parent.

  • mrdw 25 minutes ago ago

    btw, you can claim "relax" name instead of "relaxai" on pypi

    pypi.org/project/relax is abandoned library, which owner registered via email with expired custom domain, so you can claim this domain and reset owner's account by email.

  • yanis_t an hour ago ago

    Just my curiosity. Is (insert country) sovereign X is an efficient marketing strategy these days?

    • Havoc 33 minutes ago ago

      Suspect it depends on the sentiment.

      Don't think you'd have much luck convincing say a German that they shouldn't use Mistral because it isn't German sovereign. But you might have luck with that line against china or america.

      Or put differently depends more on the fault lines in public perception than strict borders

    • PaulRobinson an hour ago ago

      Yes.

      Some people might interpret this comment as political commentary, but it’s actually just the reality of what people are saying and doing.

      There’s a lot of data to suggest that America’s recent policy of reducing its soft power around the World & decoupling itself from alignment with interests of allies is causing increased interest and prioritisation of sovereign capability across tech, defence, public health and policy programs.

      This was a campaign strategy/promise for the US President. I’m not going to comment on whether it’s good for the US or for the allies, but I will note it could have been better anticipated by all: the only real surprise is the speed and depth.

      It raises some interesting questions - it’s one thing to say you don’t want Microsoft or Starlink in your infra tech stack, or don’t want to use AWS or GCP, but where does the line stop? Does the UK get out of Trident? Does the UN General Assembly get out of New York? No idea, but the fact these are conversations probably happening right now is remarkable.

      • pbhjpbhj 5 minutes ago ago

        >This was a campaign strategy/promise for the US President.

        I don't remember seeing "if you elect me I'll destroy NATO, threaten allies, and make sure even USA's oldest allies hate us" as part of the campaign.

        Perhaps you could link that promise from the time before the election?

        As to your questions, I think people are hoping that rule of law returns and there is an outbreak of common sense. No-one really expected US president will align with Russia and a cult of pseudo-Christian white-supremacist nationalists will worship him as the second coming as an expectation. That the Senate, SC, and tech leaders have fallen in place behind that (the latter literally paying fealty to their god-king) is complete insanity.

    • fmajid an hour ago ago
    • dewey an hour ago ago

      I'm not sure if you are asking for hard numbers, but I would say it's definitely "a thing" for people to reduce their reliance on certain countries.

      • bcjdjsndon an hour ago ago

        I mean, it's pretty rich for coloniser like the British empire to be talking about soverign anything

    • stevesimmons an hour ago ago

      It is if your country isn't in the US and (a) GDPR requires data residency in UK/EU; (b) you're concerned about capricious actions by the US govt cutting off access to US-controlled services (cloud, payments systems, etc).

    • ttoinou an hour ago ago

      Have you heard about companies training LLMs on your data ?

    • rcxdude an hour ago ago

      Yes, at least in certain sectors.

    • littlestymaar 27 minutes ago ago

      US tech is currently being weaponized against the ICC and its member judges in Europe[1], and the US is threatening to annex Greenland, as a result all (former) US allies are scrambling to get rid of their strategic dependency.

      [1]: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/11/19/n...

  • 00deadbeef an hour ago ago

    5 minutes to load and it just dumps me to a documentation site with no useful information about that this is, who made it, what it can do, etc.

  • tomaytotomato 39 minutes ago ago

    Congrats, its a small step in the right direction.

    The UK it seems has dropped the ball on the whole training and building models part, although we are punching up in other areas now.

    We really need to get our own equivalent to Mistral, and fast!

  • Havoc an hour ago ago

    Nice. All for seeing more geographically diverse options.

    BTW don’t see opencode in the docs yet much less known tools are?

  • iLoveOncall 2 hours ago ago

    Why would smaller and worse models not be 80% cheaper?

    If I can run those models on my consumer hardware, I'd better believe they are 80% cheaper than the models that need 1 TB of RAM.

  • walthamstow 2 hours ago ago

    > Civo isn’t just another cloud and AI platform, it’s a whole new way of thinking.

    come on now

    • asddubs an hour ago ago

      well, at least we know they're using their own product

    • blitzar an hour ago ago

      Classic LinkedIn copy and paste line you see on someone with "Founder, CEO and Cereal Entrepreneur" in the job description.

    • sph an hour ago ago

      When in Rome…

    • junaru an hour ago ago

      A trailer[1] from a decade comes to mind, even the name almost matches

      [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBBB-m9peMQ

  • imdsm an hour ago ago

    Personal take: terrible name. RelaxAI feels like you trawled for available .ai domains with dictionary words and landed on this. But it doesn't work, unless it's a relaxed AI. Is it slower, but cheaper, we'll process your requests when we get to them, so relax!

    You could have bought languagemodels.co.uk off me and used that!

    • virtualritz an hour ago ago

      Personal take: terribly disguised pitch to get someone to buy that way too long domain name from you.

    • r_lee an hour ago ago

      > You could have bought languagemodels.co.uk off me and used that!

      this is a joke, right?

    • blitzar an hour ago ago

      Relax, don't do it, when you want to go to it.

  • bflesch an hour ago ago

    As The Crown is sovereign of the United Kingdom, is this running in Buckingham Palace or in City of London?

    Can the user choose which sovereign is doing the computation?

    I'd personally prefer not to have the weird uncle do the computation, maybe the younger ones living abroad can do it.

    ;)

  • amelius 2 hours ago ago

    This looks very interesting.

    I have no idea why you got downvoted so much.

    • iso1631 an hour ago ago

      HN doesn't like data sovereignty. AMERICA NUMBER ONE and all that.

  • benjamintnorris 2 hours ago ago

    Hi HN, I'm Ben, founding engineer at relaxAI.

    We built a UK sovereign inference provider for developers who are either paying too much for OpenAI/Claude tokens or can't use US hyperscalers due to data residency requirements.

    The short version: drop-in OpenAI-compatible API, latest open source models (Kimi K2.6, DeepSeek V4 Pro, Nemotron 3 Super, GPT OSS 120b), running on NVIDIA Blackwell GPUs in the UK. Zero code changes to switch from OpenAI. Up to 80% cheaper per token cost saving!

    We built it on fully UK sovereign cloud infrastructure, so data never leaves UK jurisdiction. For anyone building in regulated sectors — finance, legal, health, defence — that matters a lot. But honestly, most of our early users just came for the huge cost savings.

    We're looking for developers to kick the tyres. Check out our API docs at relax.ai/docs. I'd love your feedback and happy to answer any questions.

    • timruffles an hour ago ago

      Firstly, congrats! As a Brit this looks cool, and I'm happy to see it. I wish you every success.

      Secondly: I get that 'sovereign' is probably an important sales term for your company. But this, in common with the government's 'sov/ai' fund, does not deserve to be described as sovereign. This is other countries' models served on chips designed and manufactured abroad, powered by a grid which imports 44% of its power.

      Of course this isn't your company's fault. Last week I went to an event where the sovereignai.gov.uk people presented. In a very Keir Starmer way (spiritually, he wasn't there), they said in as many words 'oh but I'm sure all reasonable people would agree _really_ sovereign AI would be too hard. So let's all agree to pretend that just popping a bit more money into the AI startup ecosystem is a sovereign AI strategy'.

      I'm unsure if the UK does need to be sovereign in anything; it certainly doesn't seem to want to be. But I will continue to poke fun at anything using the pompous phrase 'sovereign' for anything that isn't.

      If sovereign AI is a problem you're in earnest about, I hope you go after it seriously, and fix the rest of the stack. I'll cheer you on!

      • quietbritishjim 10 minutes ago ago

        Sovereign capability just means that no foreign government can pull the plug. Who cares where it was copied from?

        If it were somehow legal for a company to provide MS Office (not a clone) fully in the UK with no control from Microsoft, that would also count as a sovereign capability, even though none of the code was written in the uk.

        Maybe that's not how you like the term to be used but it's widely used that way and widely understood.

      • bcjdjsndon an hour ago ago

        If I could give prizes for comments you'd get one. Too much fart sniffing goes on in these parts, it's always a pleasant change to see dissent

      • jonplackett an hour ago ago

        Tbf the title only says sovereign _inference_

    • jstummbillig an hour ago ago

      Hey Ben. I find communication like this fairly off-putting. In so far the 80% cheaper per token (or any part of it) is something of your own making/ingenuity, by all means, do tell, but it requires comparing token cost fairly with comparable models on i.e. OpenRouter and not across different models and pretending it's the same thing.

    • ltr_ 11 minutes ago ago

      good prices, but I don't see info on the token cache hits prices (in/out), are they available?.

    • imdsm an hour ago ago

      Marketing aside, why are you using the term "UK sovereign"?

      I assume UK based DCs, so why not just say that, UK based LLM inference.

      Is it a DC owned/ran by HM Gov? Is that why it's sovereign?

      Not a criticism, more of a critique.

      • drawfloat an hour ago ago

        Much the same way the word "patriotism" is more common in US national discourse, "sovereignty" is very common in UK national discourse.

        • bcjdjsndon an hour ago ago

          You're thinking of when chavs used to wear sovereign rings... it's fell out of fashion now tbh

      • raesene9 an hour ago ago

        Data Sovereignty as a term is now fairly well established term that doesn't have specific government connotations e.g. https://events.linuxfoundation.org/kubecon-cloudnativecon-eu...

      • StilesCrisis an hour ago ago

        He does say that? "running on NVIDIA Blackwell GPUs in the UK" is in there and that's pretty unambiguous.

        • pu_pe 15 minutes ago ago

          The problem is if those GPUs are running on an AWS server (or any other American provider), even if it the server is in the UK the sovereignty claim is null and void.

          • StilesCrisis 3 minutes ago ago

            Doesn't "We built it on fully UK sovereign cloud infrastructure, so data never leaves UK jurisdiction" cover that?

    • robertlagrant 39 minutes ago ago

      Hi Ben - how are you positioning yourself vs LocAI? I had a few chats with them and they have a fairly similar pitch.

      • benjamintnorris 3 minutes ago ago

        We’re closely partnered with the LocAI model lab, we’re looking forward to running their models on the platform in the next few months!

    • spacebanana7 an hour ago ago

      Is your business plan essentially to run mid tier models on hardware in the UK?

      I do see the value in this as some enterprises need local data residency, the UK energy grid realistically can't handle new multi GW xAI-style data centres, and many applications don't need frontier models (but do need more than small local ones).

    • graemep an hour ago ago

      So the pricing is 12.50/month for unlimited chat, or 60p per million tokens output/10p per million input? For use with a coding assistant it would be the latter?

    • greenchair an hour ago ago

      Congrats on the launch. More options for consumers in this space the better!

    • hathym an hour ago ago

      why use this over openrouter?

      • bocytron 15 minutes ago ago

        openrouter is an US based company, so falls under CLOUD Act

      • raesene9 an hour ago ago

        I'd expect for workflows where there is value in knowing that the data is processed in the UK. From a contractual/data protection standpoint, that could be very useful, depending on the use case.

      • nicce an hour ago ago

        Avoiding routing through US or US-based companies.

      • imdsm an hour ago ago

        good question, it's going to take a lot to dislodge openrouter from my workflows

  • Cakez0r an hour ago ago

    UK sovereign data? Land of arrests for posts on social media? Member of five eyes, "you spy on our citizens and we'll spy on yours and call it intelligence sharing"? Land of the infamous Online Safety act? That UK? Why would anyone want their data in the UK?

  • imdsm an hour ago ago

    While I'm British, based in the UK, seeing prices in £ really throws me

    Token prices should be in $ as that's how our brains work

    • gregjw an hour ago ago

      Likewise, strange right. I live in Japan now, but even living here, I just expect all online provider pricing to be in USD.