Flight Attendant in Netherlands Tested for Hantavirus
Stewardess who was briefly on Johannesburg-Amsterdam flight admitted to Amsterdam UMC on May 7. Tests expected today.
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Symptoms section is very LLM, and that includes why it's obviously urging that critical early recognition on symptom lists that are too nonspecific to really be actionable.
Imagine the workload if people started seeking medical examinations on basis of the Week 1-2 list.
In most cases, infected droppings are the primary source. But my understanding is that there does exist a strain that transmits between humans, and the cruise ship situation has just been confirmed to be that type.
The good news is that hantavirus has been around and known for a long time.
Generally the best time to deal with potential mass infections is before they become uncontrollable. If you act properly and stop a disaster before it becomes one, the situation will be indistinguishable from an overreaction.
Because absent more evidence we don't yet know if this is a different variant of the Andes virus than the one people have had experience with. A lot hinges on whether this flight attendant is hospitalized out of an abundance of caution, or something entirely unrelated. But given that they came into relatively brief contact with an infected person, it would be significant if somehow she contracted it. A lot of people disembarked and went to various parts of the world. Combined with a long incubation period, that's a lot of guessing.
So far, the flight attendant has tested negative. This of course doesn't mean she hasn't contracted it - hantavirus has a long incubation period after all - but as of right now, whatever symptoms she is experiencing are not due to hantavirus.
There are reasons why this outbreak is slightly more newsworthy than others.
It happened to rich Westerners, not a bunch of poor people from Africa.
It happened on an international flight and a cruise ship. There is a lot of exposure. There are people being monitored for hantavirus being sent back to their respective countries.
People are having flashbacks of 2019/2020 and comparing the news coming out about this outbreak.
The political season is in full swing in the US and there is lots of finger pointing, especially around the health departments.
The messaging is "please keep on living your lives despite all the psychological terror you've been subject to by the power/money that be that don't even attempt to cover its fascist face anymore".
I do love (do I?) that as I get older the early symptoms of most diseases are usually just me on a bad day:
Fatigue, headache, abdominal pain, muscle aches - could be hantavirus, could be waking up in a weird position after slightly undercooked chicken stew for supper
From what I've seen there are two narratives people point to as evidence of this being intentional, in one way or another:
- A new "pandemic" every six years (they count things like swine flu, so not quite pandemic)
- the seeming stupidity of taking a disease outbreak contained to one easy to quarantine place and putting those people on commercial airliners with minimal precautions, to quarantine them at their destination. I can practically hear the "I'm not trying to say they are trying to spread it, but if they did what would they do differently"
I don't have strong opinions on this, but those are the things I've seen on the interwebs
You know, those sneaky Chinese this time chose a Dutch cruise to an island far away to spread their new attempt to kill off the entire world's population.
Yeah, that's not a serious reply. But the those are the vibes I get of the GP comment.
Hrrm. This is triggering my conspiracy theory affine mind hard.
Wanna know why? Cruise ship. Should be full of the usual suspects putting their experiences on the net via FB/Insta/TikTok/whatever at every opportunity. They all have internet out there, meanwhile.
You'll find almost nothing from them. I'd have expected much more. Why is that? Media blackout? Manufactured event to justify another round of shutdown of society?
I'm as concerned about this outbreak as anyone, but this number is pure FUD and can go up on a tweet of somebody's grandma sneezing at an airport. Keep the lab confirmed one.
A radio report I heard said that hantavirus is nothing like coronavirus. It is not new, endemic, and there is plenty of immunity around to slow down local spread.
I like that we, the humanity, have started paying attention to virus outbreaks. Compared to "real" pandemics, COVID-19 was rather mild, but it helped raise awareness. I think we're now much better prepared and equipped for the eventual real pandemic.
I don't really think so. Already in the first stages of this outbreak we're not doing any quarantine, instead we're infecting airline passengers and personnel and let them spread the virus uncontrolled. That doesn't indicate a proper prepared response.
Official knowledge is that Hanta transmission required prolonged close contact, but there are increasingly indication that Hanta can be transmitted through the air. That is going to be ignored in favor of the official but possibly outdated mode of transmission, leading to wrong or insufficient response.
Also I feel like people will be more hesitant than in 2020 to adopt behavior that avoids virus transmission.
If mutated Hanta variants turn out to be very effective at transmission, and if we don't have the luck of a quick vaccin as we did with Covid, we're cooked.
Hanta is a lot more deadly than Covid, and that can possibly be a good thing because that's the one thing that could lead to proper effective response. It has the potential to lead to rigorous measures to stop transmission instead of allowing it to spread to the whole population, leading to fewer cases and fewer deaths.
Millions of people died and the main takeaway for the US seems to be giving up vaccines and cutting programs that would mitigate future disasters.
Not sure how you've come to that conclusion.
I think we are safe from a pandemic. Hantavirus is primarily transmitted through inhaling virus particles from rodent urine, droppings, or saliva that become airborne.
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See:KLM flight attendant tested negative for hantavirus infection, WHO says - https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...
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also the font, the symptoms section, and looking at the html gives LLM vibes somehow
and seemingly no info on who made/operates it?
Symptoms section is very LLM, and that includes why it's obviously urging that critical early recognition on symptom lists that are too nonspecific to really be actionable. Imagine the workload if people started seeking medical examinations on basis of the Week 1-2 list.
Yes it's very obviously vibecoded and looks nearly identical to the other hantavirus tracker posted by a new user today
I wish the world wasn't like this, but I think we are wayyyy past the point of whether something is LLM generated or not.
I just get Error: SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER from Firefox and Edge.
Apparently it's basically spread by contact with rat droppings/urine, not human-to-human contact.
Hopefully this is true, since otherwise it's a bit concerning - taking weeks before symptoms show, giving it plenty of time to spread.
The Andes variant of Hanta is human transmissible.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/hantavirus-human-transmission...
In most cases, infected droppings are the primary source. But my understanding is that there does exist a strain that transmits between humans, and the cruise ship situation has just been confirmed to be that type.
The good news is that hantavirus has been around and known for a long time.
This is of course very bad for the people involved, but is there any indication that the matter deserves the amount of public attention that it has?
My understanding is, unfortunate souls got infected with nasty disease that hardly crosses between humans, end of story. Am I missing something?
Generally the best time to deal with potential mass infections is before they become uncontrollable. If you act properly and stop a disaster before it becomes one, the situation will be indistinguishable from an overreaction.
Because absent more evidence we don't yet know if this is a different variant of the Andes virus than the one people have had experience with. A lot hinges on whether this flight attendant is hospitalized out of an abundance of caution, or something entirely unrelated. But given that they came into relatively brief contact with an infected person, it would be significant if somehow she contracted it. A lot of people disembarked and went to various parts of the world. Combined with a long incubation period, that's a lot of guessing.
So far, the flight attendant has tested negative. This of course doesn't mean she hasn't contracted it - hantavirus has a long incubation period after all - but as of right now, whatever symptoms she is experiencing are not due to hantavirus.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...
There are reasons why this outbreak is slightly more newsworthy than others.
It happened to rich Westerners, not a bunch of poor people from Africa.
It happened on an international flight and a cruise ship. There is a lot of exposure. There are people being monitored for hantavirus being sent back to their respective countries.
People are having flashbacks of 2019/2020 and comparing the news coming out about this outbreak.
The political season is in full swing in the US and there is lots of finger pointing, especially around the health departments.
You're missing the imperative to keep the populace depressed, apathetic and scared to death.
Most of the public messaging I see is basically "please don't stop shopping, flying, or going to restaurants."
No need to spin this down into consumerism.
The messaging is "please keep on living your lives despite all the psychological terror you've been subject to by the power/money that be that don't even attempt to cover its fascist face anymore".
I do love (do I?) that as I get older the early symptoms of most diseases are usually just me on a bad day:
Fatigue, headache, abdominal pain, muscle aches - could be hantavirus, could be waking up in a weird position after slightly undercooked chicken stew for supper
Where is the case that was reported all over in Switzerland?
are all these cases on this site linked to patient 1?
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What?
From what I've seen there are two narratives people point to as evidence of this being intentional, in one way or another:
- A new "pandemic" every six years (they count things like swine flu, so not quite pandemic)
- the seeming stupidity of taking a disease outbreak contained to one easy to quarantine place and putting those people on commercial airliners with minimal precautions, to quarantine them at their destination. I can practically hear the "I'm not trying to say they are trying to spread it, but if they did what would they do differently"
I don't have strong opinions on this, but those are the things I've seen on the interwebs
I appreciate the neutral explainer man!
You know, those sneaky Chinese this time chose a Dutch cruise to an island far away to spread their new attempt to kill off the entire world's population.
Yeah, that's not a serious reply. But the those are the vibes I get of the GP comment.
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Oh, this thread gives off vibes of instant censorship on all comments against the official coronavirus narratives. Now AI-flavored!
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Hrrm. This is triggering my conspiracy theory affine mind hard.
Wanna know why? Cruise ship. Should be full of the usual suspects putting their experiences on the net via FB/Insta/TikTok/whatever at every opportunity. They all have internet out there, meanwhile.
You'll find almost nothing from them. I'd have expected much more. Why is that? Media blackout? Manufactured event to justify another round of shutdown of society?
This is looking staged.
> Total Cases
> 9+
> As of May 8, 2026
I'm as concerned about this outbreak as anyone, but this number is pure FUD and can go up on a tweet of somebody's grandma sneezing at an airport. Keep the lab confirmed one.
A radio report I heard said that hantavirus is nothing like coronavirus. It is not new, endemic, and there is plenty of immunity around to slow down local spread.
I'm not concerned at all. Should I be concerned?
Concerned? Yes. Should you panic, though? Absolutely not.
Being a first mover in the panic-virus, I guess panic-anything is big bucks.
Just think! If we all start dying, this guy'll be rich from targeted bunker ads and such.
I like that we, the humanity, have started paying attention to virus outbreaks. Compared to "real" pandemics, COVID-19 was rather mild, but it helped raise awareness. I think we're now much better prepared and equipped for the eventual real pandemic.
Are we? I feel like we're cruising and flying a boat full of potentially infected people to 23 counties.
I don't really think so. Already in the first stages of this outbreak we're not doing any quarantine, instead we're infecting airline passengers and personnel and let them spread the virus uncontrolled. That doesn't indicate a proper prepared response.
Official knowledge is that Hanta transmission required prolonged close contact, but there are increasingly indication that Hanta can be transmitted through the air. That is going to be ignored in favor of the official but possibly outdated mode of transmission, leading to wrong or insufficient response.
Also I feel like people will be more hesitant than in 2020 to adopt behavior that avoids virus transmission.
If mutated Hanta variants turn out to be very effective at transmission, and if we don't have the luck of a quick vaccin as we did with Covid, we're cooked.
Hanta is a lot more deadly than Covid, and that can possibly be a good thing because that's the one thing that could lead to proper effective response. It has the potential to lead to rigorous measures to stop transmission instead of allowing it to spread to the whole population, leading to fewer cases and fewer deaths.
Millions of people died and the main takeaway for the US seems to be giving up vaccines and cutting programs that would mitigate future disasters. Not sure how you've come to that conclusion.
There’d’ve been be no cases if we just hadn’t done testing.
The number of cases of hantavirus annually is incredibly low. There's absolutely no reason to track cases.
I hope that you are right and it keep being such. And that it would not be another December 2019.
I think we are safe from a pandemic. Hantavirus is primarily transmitted through inhaling virus particles from rodent urine, droppings, or saliva that become airborne.