I'd be curious why user NaOH chose to submit this. I'll offer a justification: it is notable that a car company lists all (I assume?) its past products, giving equal visual weight to the F50 (lauded today) and Mondial 8 (not lauded). By contrast, it's hard to find Ford talking about the Pinto: https://www.google.com/search?q=pinto+site%3Aford.com
Historical auto design and technology is interesting.
Two random tech examples: the first concept car with a back-up camera was the 1956 Buick Centurion; both Chrysler and RCA sold car stereos with record players in the '50s and '60s.
If I could go back in time I would buy as many 550 Maranellos and 360 Modenas (manual only) and fill a warehouse with them. They are gorgeous looking cars today and destined to be future classics.
I had the opportunity to purchase a 550 Maranello for $75K about ten years ago. I should have done so, as it would have been a great investment. I would have had to scramble to find that kind of cash though. But I did have quite a few good years driving a 308, and I suspect that is enough Ferrari for me.
I wish Ferrari would bring their manuals back. Their gated manual was such a joy to use.
There is probably enough demand (look at the used prices, where manuals sell 40% more), but the new management seems keen to just try to squeeze as much profit as they can from their current tech stack.
They have ceased to become a great fun car, to more just something to show off/luxury empty toy.
I don't think that's the reason. Modern supercars have so much power that the average person that can afford them is going to wreck the drivetrain in a very short while if they have to manage all that power themselves. Automatic gearboxes are far more forgiving. You see the same with Porsches that have manual gearboxes, if you read out the ECU you'll see them overrev many times more than with the autos, if at all (in fact I don't recall seeing an auto that had overrevved).
You are not getting it. There are plenty of cars that have 600+ hp and are manual.
The Ferrari Roma, or Amalfi, are within that 600hp - 800hp range.
Simply, the new leadership thinks there is not enough market for it, and that's why. Mainly, because in the 2010-2015 era, when the pdk/dual clutch became popular, folks stopped buying manuals. But that attitude has changed, and folks are wanting for more manual experiences.
I'd be curious why user NaOH chose to submit this. I'll offer a justification: it is notable that a car company lists all (I assume?) its past products, giving equal visual weight to the F50 (lauded today) and Mondial 8 (not lauded). By contrast, it's hard to find Ford talking about the Pinto: https://www.google.com/search?q=pinto+site%3Aford.com
Sometimes you open a page on HN that you would have never opened from any other website, and that in itself, is enough!
I think it's part of the addiction to HN, the dopamine hits of never knowing what you'll find.
That being said, not all links are interesting, but this one was, at least to me from a design stand point.
Historical auto design and technology is interesting.
Two random tech examples: the first concept car with a back-up camera was the 1956 Buick Centurion; both Chrysler and RCA sold car stereos with record players in the '50s and '60s.
Ferrari has recently announced the interior design for a new model, designed by Jony Ive.
Acquired has a Ferrari episode https://www.acquired.fm/episodes/ferrari
Came here to say this. It’s a recent episode too. Worth listening too if your interested in business history or strategy.
If I could go back in time I would buy as many 550 Maranellos and 360 Modenas (manual only) and fill a warehouse with them. They are gorgeous looking cars today and destined to be future classics.
I had the opportunity to purchase a 550 Maranello for $75K about ten years ago. I should have done so, as it would have been a great investment. I would have had to scramble to find that kind of cash though. But I did have quite a few good years driving a 308, and I suspect that is enough Ferrari for me.
As a php coder I’m more fond of Lamborghini.
The car company started by a disgruntled Ferrari 250 GT owner.
I wish Ferrari would bring their manuals back. Their gated manual was such a joy to use. There is probably enough demand (look at the used prices, where manuals sell 40% more), but the new management seems keen to just try to squeeze as much profit as they can from their current tech stack.
They have ceased to become a great fun car, to more just something to show off/luxury empty toy.
I don't think that's the reason. Modern supercars have so much power that the average person that can afford them is going to wreck the drivetrain in a very short while if they have to manage all that power themselves. Automatic gearboxes are far more forgiving. You see the same with Porsches that have manual gearboxes, if you read out the ECU you'll see them overrev many times more than with the autos, if at all (in fact I don't recall seeing an auto that had overrevved).
You are not getting it. There are plenty of cars that have 600+ hp and are manual.
The Ferrari Roma, or Amalfi, are within that 600hp - 800hp range.
Simply, the new leadership thinks there is not enough market for it, and that's why. Mainly, because in the 2010-2015 era, when the pdk/dual clutch became popular, folks stopped buying manuals. But that attitude has changed, and folks are wanting for more manual experiences.
There is your list. https://carbuzz.com/10-most-powerful-cars-ever-with-a-manual...
You have cars from 600hp up to 800+ hp and safely can handle a manual transmission.
It is not a technical issue, just a leadership mentality issue.
My point is that you can buy it but you probably can't drive it. Of course you think you can.
Since they left Pininfarina, Ferrari design is just plain shit.