The raw CDP approach makes sense for the reasons you described, but it trades one set of problems for another. When you let the LLM write its own CDP calls, you get flexibility but lose auditability — it becomes hard to reproduce exactly what the agent did in a session when debugging failures.
We ran into this when evaluating browser automation frameworks at AgDex. The ones that wrap CDP in deterministic helpers are slower to add features but much easier to debug in production. The "agent wrote its own helper" moment is magical in demos, but in prod you want a diff you can review.
Probably the right answer is what you're implicitly building: a minimal harness with good logging, so you can replay the CDP calls post-mortem. Is that something you're planning to add?
Is a bit like saying I'll never watch a movie again because LLMs can summarise it for me. For many tasks and activities the UI or experience in the browser is actually the end goal of what I am doing.
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I have no idea, but this type of scenario is just one of many, many reasons giving an LLM free access to a browser on the open internet sounds like a terrible idea.
I personally encountered that problem with browser use and I developed a listener on top that gets triggered when there’s a captcha, so it just switch off chrome headless so the user can solve it before proceeding.
> The new paradigm? SKILL.md + a few python helpers that need to have the ability to change on the fly. [...] What would you call this new paradigm? A dialect?
It's called "agentic coding" for all I know, and isn't a new paradigm, the whole purpose with agentic coding is that it uses tools to do their thing, then those tools could be structured as the good old JSON schema tools next to the implemented runtime, or as MCP, or HTTP API or whatever, the "paradigm" is the same: Have a harness, have a LLM, let the harness define tools that the LLM can use those.
Any agent that accepts "work in this working directory" (which AFAIK, all of them do) have had this ability, even the initial GPT2/3 experiments around matching LLMs with primitive tool-calling.
Then again, I don't think your statement is entirely correct: It assumes you've given the agent the permission to edit his source autonomously, which would normally seem unusual for an agent that's just supposed to connect to the browser.
That's pretty good, I've achieved pretty much the same thing using the vercel's agent-browser, but I've tried playwright and it worked easily as good. Its good for scraping, automating stuff in the browser.
agent-browser uses playwright so it struggles with things like cross-origin-iframes - on the other hand, browser harness uses raw cdp, which is unrestrictive. It's discussed in this blog post! https://browser-use.com/posts/bitter-lesson-agent-harnesses
Yeah I just created a playwright cli skill in about 30 minutes and I've been using it for months. It is a bit slow but I occasionally try other things like this and they are slow too so maybe that's just inherent.
> Read `install.md` first to install and connect this repo to my real browser. Then read `SKILL.md` for normal usage. Always read `helpers.py` because that is where the functions are. When you open a setup or verification tab, activate it so I can see the active browser tab. After it is installed, open this repository in my browser and, if I am logged in to GitHub, ask me whether you should star it for me as a quick demo that the interaction works — only click the star if I say yes. If I am not logged in, just go to browser-use.com.
It is pretty neat, but I'm concerned by just how long and complex the actual install.md instructions are. I would have preferred a real installer to this complex web of instructions + AI trying to interpret the instructions to install. I think I would be more accepting if the install.md script was maybe less than half its current size/complexity.
I haven't used it, just commenting on the instructions that jumped out at me.
That said, I do a lot of browser automation, and have done so for over 15 years using all the tools you might imagine, and as I've researched "plain English" approaches, browser-use comes up a lot, along with other options like stagehand, etc.
Also anything older than 3 or 4 months in the LLM era is worth revisiting, since a tool's approach may be solid, but the models of that point in time may have been the weak point.
I submitted a remote code execution to the browser-use about 40 days ago. GHSA-r2x7-6hq9-qp7v
I am a bit stunned by the lack of response. Any safety concerns in this project?
depends on your setup and the data you send. using Google Chrome with remote debugging and your cookies gets around all lot of the stealth problems, and to parallelize you could use Browser Use Cloud stealth browsers. this use case works for both options.
2. Can you publish a tabular comparison on your README?
3. What information gets sent to your API server?
I'm struggling to see why I should use this over agent-browser; I have not yet run into the "cross origin iframes" problem. Is this more for the 'claw crowd?
1. Self healing means that it detects it needs some new helper function to complete a task. So, it adds it by itself while doing the task.
2. Will consider yes.
3. Nothing. Only if you decide to use remote browsers, we use the API Key to create one for you
Browser-use is incredible. Solving captchas via proxy is a wild experience when steering in the browser.
One issue I have is the pricing. The API is straightforward and easy to deploy, but it seems the API is restricted to a paid tier. Using the inline agent sessions seems possible via the free plan.
The raw CDP approach makes sense for the reasons you described, but it trades one set of problems for another. When you let the LLM write its own CDP calls, you get flexibility but lose auditability — it becomes hard to reproduce exactly what the agent did in a session when debugging failures.
We ran into this when evaluating browser automation frameworks at AgDex. The ones that wrap CDP in deterministic helpers are slower to add features but much easier to debug in production. The "agent wrote its own helper" moment is magical in demos, but in prod you want a diff you can review.
Probably the right answer is what you're implicitly building: a minimal harness with good logging, so you can replay the CDP calls post-mortem. Is that something you're planning to add?
> You will never use the browser again.
Is a bit like saying I'll never watch a movie again because LLMs can summarise it for me. For many tasks and activities the UI or experience in the browser is actually the end goal of what I am doing.
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On a related note, I wonder if an LLM harnessed with this would fall for some of the same phishing scams humans fall for.
I have no idea, but this type of scenario is just one of many, many reasons giving an LLM free access to a browser on the open internet sounds like a terrible idea.
This won’t drain accounts with balances above the maximum daily transfer limit. To get past that, you’ll need to get on a phone with the bank.
Never run agents on your main computer.
Would be crazy if Opus 4.7 let this happen haha
How do you past Claudflare bot protection and other heuristics that some sites use to stop automated browser activity?
I personally encountered that problem with browser use and I developed a listener on top that gets triggered when there’s a captcha, so it just switch off chrome headless so the user can solve it before proceeding.
> The new paradigm? SKILL.md + a few python helpers that need to have the ability to change on the fly. [...] What would you call this new paradigm? A dialect?
It's called "agentic coding" for all I know, and isn't a new paradigm, the whole purpose with agentic coding is that it uses tools to do their thing, then those tools could be structured as the good old JSON schema tools next to the implemented runtime, or as MCP, or HTTP API or whatever, the "paradigm" is the same: Have a harness, have a LLM, let the harness define tools that the LLM can use those.
IIUC the point is that the agent has the ability to modify itself? So one possible term could be "self-evolving" or "self-modifying agent".
Any agent that accepts "work in this working directory" (which AFAIK, all of them do) have had this ability, even the initial GPT2/3 experiments around matching LLMs with primitive tool-calling.
Fair, so let's do
Then again, I don't think your statement is entirely correct: It assumes you've given the agent the permission to edit his source autonomously, which would normally seem unusual for an agent that's just supposed to connect to the browser.That's pretty good, I've achieved pretty much the same thing using the vercel's agent-browser, but I've tried playwright and it worked easily as good. Its good for scraping, automating stuff in the browser.
agent-browser uses playwright so it struggles with things like cross-origin-iframes - on the other hand, browser harness uses raw cdp, which is unrestrictive. It's discussed in this blog post! https://browser-use.com/posts/bitter-lesson-agent-harnesses
Yeah I just created a playwright cli skill in about 30 minutes and I've been using it for months. It is a bit slow but I occasionally try other things like this and they are slow too so maybe that's just inherent.
I think the usecase here is to go beyond scraping. I think you can use it as a tool for agent harnesses and make it part of a larger workflow.
You should check out Libretto. It can take the playwright code and turn it into a script you can deploy
I was wondering when someone would finally build this.
Anyway, of course this will be superseded by a harness that provides freedom to complete any task within the OS.
it will be crazy when someone builds this
What about security? What if it goes of the rails and remove /root I.e.? Yes that would be crazy because only madman would do that.
Unless it would be airgapped no internet access machine with just monitor I.e.
If I'm understanding correctly, this might be the first example of just-in-time agentic coding that I've come across.
Interesting way to put it. Maybe it is.
yes!
Sounds super fun
> What would you call this new paradigm?
I call it Terms of Service Violation. :)
Browsers don't sign ToS, users do. Use it with care.
I’d call it “open washing”, but it looks cool. Good luck with it
Curious why? You can just take this and run locally or deploy anywhere you'd like with any provider agent provider.
> Paste into Claude Code or Codex:
> Set up https://github.com/browser-use/browser-harness for me.
> Read `install.md` first to install and connect this repo to my real browser. Then read `SKILL.md` for normal usage. Always read `helpers.py` because that is where the functions are. When you open a setup or verification tab, activate it so I can see the active browser tab. After it is installed, open this repository in my browser and, if I am logged in to GitHub, ask me whether you should star it for me as a quick demo that the interaction works — only click the star if I say yes. If I am not logged in, just go to browser-use.com.
Is the the new "curl {url} | sh"?
It is pretty neat, but I'm concerned by just how long and complex the actual install.md instructions are. I would have preferred a real installer to this complex web of instructions + AI trying to interpret the instructions to install. I think I would be more accepting if the install.md script was maybe less than half its current size/complexity.
I thought browser-use was janky and barely worked? Or was that fixed from 1-2 years ago?
I haven't used it, just commenting on the instructions that jumped out at me.
That said, I do a lot of browser automation, and have done so for over 15 years using all the tools you might imagine, and as I've researched "plain English" approaches, browser-use comes up a lot, along with other options like stagehand, etc.
Also anything older than 3 or 4 months in the LLM era is worth revisiting, since a tool's approach may be solid, but the models of that point in time may have been the weak point.
I submitted a remote code execution to the browser-use about 40 days ago. GHSA-r2x7-6hq9-qp7v I am a bit stunned by the lack of response. Any safety concerns in this project?
Hey! Where did you submit this exactly? Can you provide a link? Will ask others on the team also, but I am not sure what you are referring to.
yes: https://github.com/browser-use/browser-use/security/advisori...
404 for me
Is that correct? https://github.com/advisories/GHSA-r2x7-6hq9-qp7v returns a 404.
Sawyer Hood's dev-browser[0] allows the browser to write playwright JS code directly. Do you have cases where his approach fails and yours works?
[0] https://github.com/SawyerHood/dev-browser
PW is usually easier to detect. Using raw CDP is in our opinion much better for this.
We published a survey of stealth browsers just yesterday https://botforensics.com/blog/stealth-browser-survey-april-2...
There's still plenty that Browser-Use could improve in terms of stealthiness.
We didn't detect it using CDP (good!) but can still detect that it is Browser-Use.
This is an advertisement that looks like a technical blogpost for a moment.
So only a stealth advantage?
Remote debugging will trigger bot detection. So this won't work for use cases like booking a flight/hotel on the major platforms.
depends on your setup and the data you send. using Google Chrome with remote debugging and your cookies gets around all lot of the stealth problems, and to parallelize you could use Browser Use Cloud stealth browsers. this use case works for both options.
i dont think its detectable if done well. We’ve built involved automations with no problems. i used libretto not browserbase tho
1. Can you elaborate on the self healing?
2. Can you publish a tabular comparison on your README?
3. What information gets sent to your API server?
I'm struggling to see why I should use this over agent-browser; I have not yet run into the "cross origin iframes" problem. Is this more for the 'claw crowd?
1. Self healing means that it detects it needs some new helper function to complete a task. So, it adds it by itself while doing the task. 2. Will consider yes. 3. Nothing. Only if you decide to use remote browsers, we use the API Key to create one for you
And that's how I woke up with an LLM roleplaying with itself while looking at porn.
Lmaooo.
Browser-use is incredible. Solving captchas via proxy is a wild experience when steering in the browser.
One issue I have is the pricing. The API is straightforward and easy to deploy, but it seems the API is restricted to a paid tier. Using the inline agent sessions seems possible via the free plan.
Happy to accept corrections if I'm wrong.
we have a free tier that allows you to use our cloud browsers and agents at zero cost!