5 comments

  • rishabhpoddar 3 hours ago ago

    - Tool calling: This is unavoidable, but I try structure the tools such that the total tool calling for an input is minimised.

    - Using UUIDs in the prompt (which can happen if you serialise a data structure that contains UUIDs into a prompt): Just don't use UUIDs, or if you must, then map them onto unique numbers (in memory) before adding them to a prompt

    - Putting everything in one LLM chat history: Use sub agents with their own chat history, and discard it after sub agent finishes.

    - Structure your system prompt to maximize input cache tokens: You can do this by putting all the variable parts of the system prompt towards the end if it, if possible.

  • zhug3 15 hours ago ago

    In my experience the biggest multiplier isn't any single variable it's the interaction between them. Fanout × retries × context growth compounds in ways that linear cost models completely miss.

    The fix that worked for us: treat budget as a hard constraint, not a target. When you're approaching limit, degrade gracefully (shorter context, fewer tool calls, fallback to smaller model) rather than letting costs explode and cleaning up later.

    Also worth tracking: the 90th percentile request often costs 10x the median. A handful of pathological queries can dominate your bill. Capping max tokens per request is crude but effective.

    • teilom 12 hours ago ago

      +1 on interaction terms + tails : fanout × retries × context growth is where linear token math dies.

      One thing we do in enzu is make “budget as constraint” executable: we clamp `max_output_tokens` from the budget before the call, and in multi-step/RLM runs we adapt output caps downward as the budget depletes (so it naturally gets shorter/cheaper instead of spiraling). When token counting is unavailable we explicitly enter a “budget degraded” mode rather than pretending estimates are exact.

      Also agree p90/p95 cost/run matters more than averages; max-output caps are crude but effective.

      Docs: https://github.com/teilomillet/enzu/blob/main/docs/PROD_MULT... and https://github.com/teilomillet/enzu/blob/main/docs/BUDGET_CO...

  • teilom 16 hours ago ago

    If you’re trying to estimate before prod, logging these 4 things in a pilot gets you 80% there: - tokens/run (in+out) - tool calls/run (and fanout) - retry rate (timeouts/429s) - context length over turns (P50/P95)

    Fanout × retries is the classic “bill exploder”, and P95 context growth is the stealth one. The point of “budget as contract” is deciding in advance what happens at limit (degraded mode / fallback / partial answer / hard fail), not discovering it from the invoice.

  • teilom 16 hours ago ago

    Background note I wrote (framing + “budget as contract”): https://github.com/teilomillet/enzu/blob/main/docs/BUDGETS_A...