I lived my whole life in the twin cities and have a lot of friends, US citizens, who are too scared to go out to eat right now because of the ICE raids. If that wasn’t the point it is certainly the effect. I applaud Walz and Frey, and I will be ranking Frey first next time he’s up for reelection. Something tells me though he will be on to bigger things than mayor of Minneapolis.
The allegations of fraud made by the people invading my home and terrorizing my friends? I’ll take those with a grain of salt.
And for the record, I’m not afraid of ICE, never said I was. ICE is racially profiling people, arresting them without cause, and deporting them without due process. I happen to be white, so that doesn’t apply in my case. It’s also coincidentally the same reason I feel safe posting a comment like this online. Free speech is being chilled in communities that ice targets, and I feel responsibility to relay what I’m hearing.
ICE also just gunned down a US citizen in the street, and that should scare everyone.
I have a hard time to understand that. The woman just accelerated from 0mph to what, 4mph? The officer was aware of the car. The car was taking a turn away from the officer.
That was no life threatening situation. If the officer had not shot, what would have happened? The woman would have left the scene while the officers already had the license plate information. So I am not sure what your take is here.
So the fact he was diagnosed with internal bleeding later in the hospital after the adrenaline wore off hasn't reached your media bubble?
I'm not even American but the unfounded opinion pieces that so many people trust entirely is seriously mind blowing
I believe the officer in question should absolutely be removed from active duty, until he's been retrained to actually prioritize descalation, but it's extremely obvious from looking at the videos surrounding the shooting that the women in question was not a victim, she wanted to produce controversy. She just got more then she bargained for because the officers didn't try to deescalate.
Also Minneapolis emergency services reports indicate that Jonathan Ross was not taken anywhere, but instead remained at the scene and then left with the feds.
> ICE shot someone who wasn't complying with several orders to stop her vehicle, to open her door,
The first one ordered her to leave, the next one told her to get out of her vehicle and reached into her vehicle without a warrent or justification.
Neither had any legal grounds for doing so, at least according to a civil rights lawyer who defended MAGA people deplatformed during the Biden administration.
Traffic enforcement is not within ICE's remit, particularly in this case when wide angle footage with long time frames show traffic passing both cars that are across a single lane.
> Now hitting the gas pedal and hitting an agent with your big fat SUV:
Perhaps avoid the false hyperbole.
> It's basically the same story: the left using anything it can to create martyrs
The "martyrs" are being created by the incompentance and over reach of ICE.
Currently going on? You mean the ones which were prosecuted a few years ago? Or are you talking about that "journalist"'s YouTube video that was hyped by the government to cause misinformed rage?
Yes I am talking about that "journalist"'s YouTube video, like I said the evidence out there is accessible on the Web. If there is a nanometer evidence that implies your tax money goes to Somalians bank account, you need to investigate that.
I'm pretty traditional conservative and I don't feel that our tax money should be funding child care directly like it does these days. I want to reduce the debt and taxes.
Looking at the "journalist", I really don't understand what people say he uncovered. He showed up with a bunch of people and expected to enter a non-public facility with children to investigate and when he was denied entry, made huge claims about how over half of the state's funding is going to illegal
Immigrants. I saw zero proof of anything in their "reporting" nor did I see anything credible in their approach. I fully support investigative reporting, but there's a bar that needs to be meet to be considered a journalist and rage content creators do not meet that bar.
If you want to link to specific videos that you feel do meet this bar, I'm happy to watch them, but as of now, I do not believe their reporting one bit.
This same guy, Nick Shirley, traveled to Ukraine and made a video about how there really wasn't a war and the Ukranians were just spending our money on luxury cars. A reporter, Caolan Robertson, who has spent years covering the war got an interview with him and called him out on his bullshit. If he lied about Ukraine, I am very disinclined to trust him about Somalians.
I'm way more concerned about my tax money going to Donald Trump and his family and cronies. Followed by it going to billionaires and corporations. You know things that are actually happening today. I'm not very concerned at all by fluffed up recycled true crime by d tier content creators that the administration has turned into propaganda and people like you are pushing at every opportunity.
Seriously. What percentage of my taxes are going to a "Somalians bank account" as opposed to the greedy, blatantly corrupt pigs in power? I’m guessing there’s an order of magnitude difference, if not several. They are draining the coffers and laughing in our faces about it.
Well, it seemed to work well enough on you. Maybe try and think harder about your information sources. They seem to be lying to you, and you don't seem to be able to tell.
Your question is essentially equivalent to "Why are you scared of the Gestapo if you aren't a Jew?"
It's not a coincidence that a winner of the Nobel Prize gifted his medal to the then Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels[1], exactly as María Corina Machado gifted her Nobel medal to Trump. History doesn't repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme. If you close your eyes to all these similarities, you're going to be in for a big surprise.
> Obama deported 3 million immigrants with ICE while he is president
Obama did it the right way, didn't he? Obama's administration managed deportations effectively and humanely, prioritizing criminals and recent arrivals through programs like Secure Communities for over 3 million removals while upholding due process, minimizing community disruptions, and avoiding widespread violence or errors like wrong-country deportations.
> The woman who got shot thought she was on a movie set, tried to act cool and then attempted to run over an officer.
Citation needed. Absolutely wild to claim to know the thoughts of a dead woman. Do you speak for the dead also?
Shills keep bring up Obama deportations. Obama's administration primarily followed the law, observed due process and habeas corpus, didn't send people to concentration camps in other countries, and didn't shoot mother's in the head and then call them terrorists.
It should be clear why the response is so different, there's no need to act naive
1. US Police is very well known to act on emotions instead of actual law or protocol
2. Killing her didn't make the officer safer, now he was being approached by an effectively driverless vehicle.
3. If you put yourself infront of the car for fuck all reason that is your fault, especially as a "LEO" you should know better, but I guess that is what you get when you employ power hungry people with 0 training.
For what it's worth, the ICE agent who shot Good, Jonathan Ross, worked for US Border Patrol for eight years and has been working for ICE for a decade. Further, "Ross testified in December that he was 'a firearms instructor, an active shooter instructor ... a field intelligence officer, and ... a member of the SWAT team, the St. Paul Special Response Team'."[0]
And yet he put himself in front of a vehicle that had a driver and a running engine, and partnered up with other agents who acted as a group with zero cohesion, issuing conflicting instructions, escalating the tension of a traffic infringement they had no actual legal authority to engage with.
Every trained professional I've communicated with in regard to this incident has effectively shaken their head and referred to it as a clown show of epic proportions, a textbook example of how not to engage with the public, an example of how authoritarian states deal with people they have no regard for.
Let's be honest, a great many US enforcement types come to firearms use with an any excuse approach coupled with an absence of ability to de-escalate situations. They act like walking cans of petrol looking for a tinder to throw themselves on.
> The woman who got shot thought she was on a movie set, tried to act cool and then attempted to run over an officer.
Your mind-reading abilities are malfunctioning. There's clear video evidence which disproves your claim. That raises serious questions about your good faith in this discussion.
> keeping the United States safe
From who exactly? Perhaps we could have a foreign country perform an operation to remove the people directing ICE to behave like an occupying force attempting to frighten US citizens into submission. That would help keep the country safe for democracy.
Do you think democracy in the US is worth preserving? Because it sure doesn't seem that way.
> For the other comment, you can check yourself if you don't believe in fraud.
This is a completely irrelevant distraction that just adds to the impression of bad faith from you.
> The subpoenas suggest that the Justice Department is examining whether Walz’s and Frey’s public statements disparaging the surge of officers and federal actions have amounted to criminal interference in law enforcement work.
The Justice department is literally arguing that free speech is enough to impede an investigation.
This will surely be shot down in court, but this is just all noise to try to interfere in MN's midterm elections.
“In 1969, Schenck was largely overturned by Brandenburg v. Ohio, which limited the scope of speech that the government may ban to that directed to and likely to incite imminent lawless action (e.g. a riot).”
That just means the people flagging politics are biased and inconsistent, not that people don't flag politics.
We know they do. Numerous people have stated outright that they flag every thread they consider political, because they consider all political content to be off topic, and that they intend to continue doing so. And Hacker News is designed so that it only takes a few flags to apply to a thread.
But since you know seem to better to the point of being smug about it, do please enlighten us all on the real answer.
I'd love to know who downvoted the above comment and why. No-one who believes that democracy in the US is worth preserving can possibly support what's going on at the moment.
I understand people not wanting to follow the news lately and the inclination in just tuning it out. But some things you can't tune out because by tuning it out the conditions of the world can deteriorate from our complacency.
How sad is it to see the US position as a leader building alliances completely fall apart under the current administration? Pretty heartbreaking. The news today about sums up the disappointment.
"Prime Minister Mark Carney, speaking to reporters in Beijing on Friday after making a preliminary deal with China on a range of issues, said Canada’s relationship with the U.S. is 'more multi-faceted' and much deeper than Canada's relationship with China — but noted that ties with China have become more predictable in recent months."
He that claimed weaponization of the DOJ is eager to weaponize it [0]
Pure projection, 100% of the time.
> Trump Is Weaponizing the DOJ Just Like He Accused Democrats of Doing
> Throughout the 2024 presidential campaign season, Donald Trump accused his Democratic opponents—President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris—of using the levers of power against him.
> "The Biden regime's weaponization of our system of justice is straight out of the Stalinist Russia horror show," he told rallygoers in March 2023 after being indicted in Manhattan for violating election law. In a September 2024 debate against Harris, Trump even blamed Democrats' rhetoric for the assassination attempt he survived weeks earlier, saying "I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me."
> But now that Trump is firmly ensconced back in office, his administration seems to have no interest in stopping government weaponization. Rather, it seems keen to wield that power for itself. Looking back now on Trump's complaints, it appears less that he was upset than that he was jealous.
Just for the record. 34 felony convictions and adjudicated rape.
I lived my whole life in the twin cities and have a lot of friends, US citizens, who are too scared to go out to eat right now because of the ICE raids. If that wasn’t the point it is certainly the effect. I applaud Walz and Frey, and I will be ranking Frey first next time he’s up for reelection. Something tells me though he will be on to bigger things than mayor of Minneapolis.
Fraud is fraud and Frey is linked to it.
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The allegations of fraud made by the people invading my home and terrorizing my friends? I’ll take those with a grain of salt.
And for the record, I’m not afraid of ICE, never said I was. ICE is racially profiling people, arresting them without cause, and deporting them without due process. I happen to be white, so that doesn’t apply in my case. It’s also coincidentally the same reason I feel safe posting a comment like this online. Free speech is being chilled in communities that ice targets, and I feel responsibility to relay what I’m hearing.
ICE also just gunned down a US citizen in the street, and that should scare everyone.
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I have a hard time to understand that. The woman just accelerated from 0mph to what, 4mph? The officer was aware of the car. The car was taking a turn away from the officer.
That was no life threatening situation. If the officer had not shot, what would have happened? The woman would have left the scene while the officers already had the license plate information. So I am not sure what your take is here.
> That was no life threatening situation
So the fact he was diagnosed with internal bleeding later in the hospital after the adrenaline wore off hasn't reached your media bubble?
I'm not even American but the unfounded opinion pieces that so many people trust entirely is seriously mind blowing
I believe the officer in question should absolutely be removed from active duty, until he's been retrained to actually prioritize descalation, but it's extremely obvious from looking at the videos surrounding the shooting that the women in question was not a victim, she wanted to produce controversy. She just got more then she bargained for because the officers didn't try to deescalate.
What caused this alleged "internal bleeding"? He wasn't hit so this is clearly a lie.
Also Minneapolis emergency services reports indicate that Jonathan Ross was not taken anywhere, but instead remained at the scene and then left with the feds.
> ICE shot someone who wasn't complying with several orders to stop her vehicle, to open her door,
The first one ordered her to leave, the next one told her to get out of her vehicle and reached into her vehicle without a warrent or justification.
Neither had any legal grounds for doing so, at least according to a civil rights lawyer who defended MAGA people deplatformed during the Biden administration.
Traffic enforcement is not within ICE's remit, particularly in this case when wide angle footage with long time frames show traffic passing both cars that are across a single lane.
> Now hitting the gas pedal and hitting an agent with your big fat SUV:
Perhaps avoid the false hyperbole.
> It's basically the same story: the left using anything it can to create martyrs
The "martyrs" are being created by the incompentance and over reach of ICE.
They’ve shot and killed American Citizens
They flashbanged a family of American citizens and put a baby in the hospital
See here, ICE chasing an American citizen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6UWUXkzQVA
How does that boot taste?
I feel like it’s gotta pretty deep into their mouth. Idk how they’re not gagging
Currently going on? You mean the ones which were prosecuted a few years ago? Or are you talking about that "journalist"'s YouTube video that was hyped by the government to cause misinformed rage?
Yes I am talking about that "journalist"'s YouTube video, like I said the evidence out there is accessible on the Web. If there is a nanometer evidence that implies your tax money goes to Somalians bank account, you need to investigate that.
I'm pretty traditional conservative and I don't feel that our tax money should be funding child care directly like it does these days. I want to reduce the debt and taxes.
Looking at the "journalist", I really don't understand what people say he uncovered. He showed up with a bunch of people and expected to enter a non-public facility with children to investigate and when he was denied entry, made huge claims about how over half of the state's funding is going to illegal Immigrants. I saw zero proof of anything in their "reporting" nor did I see anything credible in their approach. I fully support investigative reporting, but there's a bar that needs to be meet to be considered a journalist and rage content creators do not meet that bar.
If you want to link to specific videos that you feel do meet this bar, I'm happy to watch them, but as of now, I do not believe their reporting one bit.
This same guy, Nick Shirley, traveled to Ukraine and made a video about how there really wasn't a war and the Ukranians were just spending our money on luxury cars. A reporter, Caolan Robertson, who has spent years covering the war got an interview with him and called him out on his bullshit. If he lied about Ukraine, I am very disinclined to trust him about Somalians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaZYMeYWMic
https://nypost.com/2026/01/15/us-news/two-scammers-plead-gui...
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-individuals-plead-guilty-...
I'm way more concerned about my tax money going to Donald Trump and his family and cronies. Followed by it going to billionaires and corporations. You know things that are actually happening today. I'm not very concerned at all by fluffed up recycled true crime by d tier content creators that the administration has turned into propaganda and people like you are pushing at every opportunity.
Seriously. What percentage of my taxes are going to a "Somalians bank account" as opposed to the greedy, blatantly corrupt pigs in power? I’m guessing there’s an order of magnitude difference, if not several. They are draining the coffers and laughing in our faces about it.
Well, it seemed to work well enough on you. Maybe try and think harder about your information sources. They seem to be lying to you, and you don't seem to be able to tell.
Imagine being in favor of “papers, please” in America
Your question is essentially equivalent to "Why are you scared of the Gestapo if you aren't a Jew?"
It's not a coincidence that a winner of the Nobel Prize gifted his medal to the then Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels[1], exactly as María Corina Machado gifted her Nobel medal to Trump. History doesn't repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme. If you close your eyes to all these similarities, you're going to be in for a big surprise.
[1]https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/press/press-releases/the-nob...
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> Obama deported 3 million immigrants with ICE while he is president
Obama did it the right way, didn't he? Obama's administration managed deportations effectively and humanely, prioritizing criminals and recent arrivals through programs like Secure Communities for over 3 million removals while upholding due process, minimizing community disruptions, and avoiding widespread violence or errors like wrong-country deportations.
> The woman who got shot thought she was on a movie set, tried to act cool and then attempted to run over an officer.
Citation needed. Absolutely wild to claim to know the thoughts of a dead woman. Do you speak for the dead also?
Shills keep bring up Obama deportations. Obama's administration primarily followed the law, observed due process and habeas corpus, didn't send people to concentration camps in other countries, and didn't shoot mother's in the head and then call them terrorists.
It should be clear why the response is so different, there's no need to act naive
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1. US Police is very well known to act on emotions instead of actual law or protocol
2. Killing her didn't make the officer safer, now he was being approached by an effectively driverless vehicle.
3. If you put yourself infront of the car for fuck all reason that is your fault, especially as a "LEO" you should know better, but I guess that is what you get when you employ power hungry people with 0 training.
For what it's worth, the ICE agent who shot Good, Jonathan Ross, worked for US Border Patrol for eight years and has been working for ICE for a decade. Further, "Ross testified in December that he was 'a firearms instructor, an active shooter instructor ... a field intelligence officer, and ... a member of the SWAT team, the St. Paul Special Response Team'."[0]
So, not only not untrained, he is a trainer.
[0]: https://www.wired.com/story/ice-agent-jonathan-ross-renee-go...
And yet he put himself in front of a vehicle that had a driver and a running engine, and partnered up with other agents who acted as a group with zero cohesion, issuing conflicting instructions, escalating the tension of a traffic infringement they had no actual legal authority to engage with.
Every trained professional I've communicated with in regard to this incident has effectively shaken their head and referred to it as a clown show of epic proportions, a textbook example of how not to engage with the public, an example of how authoritarian states deal with people they have no regard for.
Let's be honest, a great many US enforcement types come to firearms use with an any excuse approach coupled with an absence of ability to de-escalate situations. They act like walking cans of petrol looking for a tinder to throw themselves on.
> The woman who got shot thought she was on a movie set, tried to act cool and then attempted to run over an officer.
Your mind-reading abilities are malfunctioning. There's clear video evidence which disproves your claim. That raises serious questions about your good faith in this discussion.
> keeping the United States safe
From who exactly? Perhaps we could have a foreign country perform an operation to remove the people directing ICE to behave like an occupying force attempting to frighten US citizens into submission. That would help keep the country safe for democracy.
Do you think democracy in the US is worth preserving? Because it sure doesn't seem that way.
> For the other comment, you can check yourself if you don't believe in fraud.
This is a completely irrelevant distraction that just adds to the impression of bad faith from you.
> The subpoenas suggest that the Justice Department is examining whether Walz’s and Frey’s public statements disparaging the surge of officers and federal actions have amounted to criminal interference in law enforcement work.
The Justice department is literally arguing that free speech is enough to impede an investigation.
This will surely be shot down in court, but this is just all noise to try to interfere in MN's midterm elections.
Sounds similar to this case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States?wprov...
“In 1969, Schenck was largely overturned by Brandenburg v. Ohio, which limited the scope of speech that the government may ban to that directed to and likely to incite imminent lawless action (e.g. a riot).”
Why is this flagged?
"politics." Why do people keep asking questions they know the answer to?
probably because you find unflagged politics all up and down the hn feed...
why do people keep giving terrible answers to questions they must not know the answer to?
That just means the people flagging politics are biased and inconsistent, not that people don't flag politics.
We know they do. Numerous people have stated outright that they flag every thread they consider political, because they consider all political content to be off topic, and that they intend to continue doing so. And Hacker News is designed so that it only takes a few flags to apply to a thread.
But since you know seem to better to the point of being smug about it, do please enlighten us all on the real answer.
The USA is very vulnerable to culture wars and political division, that stymie any real progress.
No, the USA is very vulnerable to reactionary ideas that stymie real progress.
https://archive.ph/EPUiZ
All deplorable all the time. Endless endless boot stomping on the face of Democracy, the constitution, & it's people.
Hopefully this gets thrown out fast, like 70% of what these nasty vipers do.
I'd love to know who downvoted the above comment and why. No-one who believes that democracy in the US is worth preserving can possibly support what's going on at the moment.
A lot of people here are going to be triggered by the word "deplorable" because a mean lady said it years ago.
Pretty accurate descriptor after all this time. She was proven right by their actions.
Kamala as well.
I understand people not wanting to follow the news lately and the inclination in just tuning it out. But some things you can't tune out because by tuning it out the conditions of the world can deteriorate from our complacency.
How sad is it to see the US position as a leader building alliances completely fall apart under the current administration? Pretty heartbreaking. The news today about sums up the disappointment.
"Prime Minister Mark Carney, speaking to reporters in Beijing on Friday after making a preliminary deal with China on a range of issues, said Canada’s relationship with the U.S. is 'more multi-faceted' and much deeper than Canada's relationship with China — but noted that ties with China have become more predictable in recent months."
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2221259/carney-reach...
This is a significant escalation and is meant to give the federal government grounds for invoking the Insurrection Act.
He that claimed weaponization of the DOJ is eager to weaponize it [0]
Pure projection, 100% of the time.
> Trump Is Weaponizing the DOJ Just Like He Accused Democrats of Doing
> Throughout the 2024 presidential campaign season, Donald Trump accused his Democratic opponents—President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris—of using the levers of power against him.
> "The Biden regime's weaponization of our system of justice is straight out of the Stalinist Russia horror show," he told rallygoers in March 2023 after being indicted in Manhattan for violating election law. In a September 2024 debate against Harris, Trump even blamed Democrats' rhetoric for the assassination attempt he survived weeks earlier, saying "I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me."
> But now that Trump is firmly ensconced back in office, his administration seems to have no interest in stopping government weaponization. Rather, it seems keen to wield that power for itself. Looking back now on Trump's complaints, it appears less that he was upset than that he was jealous.
Just for the record. 34 felony convictions and adjudicated rape.
[0] https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-weaponizing-doj-just-accuse...
There’s no point in looking into the logic or consistency of Donald’s words.
Just record his actions. Persecute him to the fullest extent of the law. Ignore everything he says.
He’s a broken person, the dictionary definition of a bully, and whose modus operandi is to inflict as much pain on his enemies as possible.
What a load. Run against Trump, have martial law declared, and get criminally investigated by a corrupt DoJ.
Only Trump deserves to be president.