> Launch Microsoft Copilot in Windows with a touch of the Copilot key,4 to write content, analyze data, and stay organized.
Oh thank goodness.
This whole product idea is further trying to gatekeep computing hardware. You will pay a cloud subscription to perform anything remotely computationally taxing.
I actually love the concept. It's effectively like the iMac, except more flexible and serviceable - great for kiosks and shared workstations.
One could also couple it with AR glasses like the XREAL One and have portable computing but more immersive (although it looks a little big for that).
I don't understand the scepticism - surely it's good that we see some experimentation again on the form factor of computing, we cannot just accept that the laptop is all we'll ever get. Yeah, the copy is stupid, but that's just marketing.
HP recommends Windows 11 Pro for Business. Not all features are available in all editions or versions of Windows. Systems may require upgraded and/or separately purchased hardware, drivers, software or BIOS update to take full advantage of Windows functionality. Windows 11 is automatically updated, which is always enabled. High speed internet and Microsoft account required. ISP fees may apply and additional requirements may apply over time for updates.
Features and software that require a NPU may require software purchase, subscription or enablement by a software or platform provider, and third-party software may have specific configuration or compatibility requirements. Potential NPU inferencing performance varies by use, configuration, and other factors.
Microsoft Copilot requires Windows 11. Some features require an NPU. Timing of feature delivery and availability varies by market and device. Requires Microsoft account to log in. Where Copilot is not available, the Copilot key will lead to the Bing search engine.
That's... standard Windows? It's 100% the same for Apple machines, if stated in more mellifluous tones (or not stated at all, because "screw you, we're Apple"), and even more so for Chromebooks.
I don't understand the advantages of this over a laptop (this is essentially laptop-grade hardware and thermal profile but without the screen & battery).
It's for businesses that don't need high computation, achieving effectively the same "monitor and keyboard" effect as the iMac; and for people using AR glasses like XReal One, Viture, etc.
So a real cyberdeck then? (Case's Ono-Sendai was a plain slab with a keyboard and interface for the "trodes" that communicated directly with your brain.)
It also ties you to a desk. If you're working in one location, a desktop PC would be more cost-effective and more performant. If you need mobility between desks, a small form factor PC would be easier to carry. And if you are an employer and expect employees to work from home on this keyboard, you need to buy monitors for their homes.
> a desktop PC would be more cost-effective and more performant.
But ugly and taking up space, which is why the iMac exists and has been pretty successful for decades at this point.
> If you need mobility between desks, a small form factor PC would be easier
Maybe, but performant AR glasses are changing that equation. The cyberdeck, as an ideal, still exists for a reason.
> if you are an employer and expect employees to work from home on this keyboard, you need to buy monitors for their homes.
Do you? Is that law where you live? Because it's definitely not here in UK. I'd rather work on my trusty 4k than some shitty cheapo Dell only provided to tick a box.
How does cooling get implemented? I can only really think of a Pi500 as a similar concept, except that the Pi is (likely) much less power intense. If they're using a Ryzen 300, wouldn't heat dissapation become an issue? The keyboard looks too thin for extensive heat transfer. I guess they could use a undervolted Ryzen 300 but it just seems like there is too much power delivery needs inside such a small frame.
specs are unclear, but given the size, TDP and optional battery, it almost certainly has a laptop-scale fan and heat sink. Modern fans are pretty quiet, nearly silent at idle, so it's not an issue.
Given the weird take on x86 being inherently "more powerful" and the copy-pasted error from the marketing site (32W vs 32WH) this "article" looks like gently massaged advertising copy:
> Alternatively, HP’s EliteBoard will bring Windows and a more powerful x86 architecture to the keyboard-PC form factor. HP says the EliteBoard will support Windows 11 Pro for Business and an AMD Ryzen AI 300-series processor with an up to 50 TOPs NPU. The device will be sold with a 32 W internal battery and is part of Microsoft’s Copilot+ PC program.
These are great. The Ryzen AI series are the ones that allow memory to be shared between the GPU and CPU, so you can use almost all your system RAM to run local models.
The AI 395+ MAX is available with up to 128Gb RAM (and I think 256Gb is coming).
The important thing is how much RAM it comes with because it is soldered - and for some reason this doesn't seem to show the RAM!
If you scroll further down, there's an image of a woman holding an opened keyboard with a SODIMM in her other hand so I'd guess that means it's user-swappable.
Any idea why raspberry didn’t use compute modules in the pi500? IMHO that should have been trivially upgradable but will likely be the shortest lived keyboard I’ve ever had when the pi6 comes out.
Compared with Commodore 64, this HP is a parody. They spared the space to a minimum (is cheap plastic so expensive ?), the keyboard is terrible.
The main advantage seems to be that, if you try to actually use it, it will force you to take a break, because your fingers will be burning from touching the keys heated by the processor.
I dislike how ai is a major selling point of this computer; then again, I understand it’s a buzzword at this point.
Funnily enough, with the name being “HP EliteBoard G1a Next Gen AI PC”, I know I’m supposed to read it as “(next gen) ai”, but I can’t help seeing “next (gen ai)”.
Ah, the HP-99/4A. I'd heard of this and kinda almost wanted one, but I think skyrocketing RAM and SSD prices will make it even more not worth the money/hassle.
> Launch Microsoft Copilot in Windows with a touch of the Copilot key,4 to write content, analyze data, and stay organized.
Oh thank goodness.
This whole product idea is further trying to gatekeep computing hardware. You will pay a cloud subscription to perform anything remotely computationally taxing.
> You will pay a cloud subscription to perform anything remotely computationally taxing.
What’s wrong with that?
Concentration of compute will be used as a vehicle for further concentration of power and wealth.
Nah by then the collapse of jobs will have freed up 10s of millions with access to guns. Lots of guns.
Some want to use their brain.
Do you market Copilot?
I'd like to own things and have control over what I can and can't do on a computer.
The complete lack of autonomy.
Incorrectly advertising battery capacity as 32W instead of (presumably) 32WH is a hilarious mistake for a company the size of HP
You beat me to it. 32W, but for how long? 8 hours? 11 seconds? 32W would be true in both cases.
5 attoseconds
I mean at least they didn't use mah. I am surprised it actually have a battery in it I thought you would have to plug it in to use it.
I actually love the concept. It's effectively like the iMac, except more flexible and serviceable - great for kiosks and shared workstations.
One could also couple it with AR glasses like the XREAL One and have portable computing but more immersive (although it looks a little big for that).
I don't understand the scepticism - surely it's good that we see some experimentation again on the form factor of computing, we cannot just accept that the laptop is all we'll ever get. Yeah, the copy is stupid, but that's just marketing.
The fine print:
HP recommends Windows 11 Pro for Business. Not all features are available in all editions or versions of Windows. Systems may require upgraded and/or separately purchased hardware, drivers, software or BIOS update to take full advantage of Windows functionality. Windows 11 is automatically updated, which is always enabled. High speed internet and Microsoft account required. ISP fees may apply and additional requirements may apply over time for updates.
Features and software that require a NPU may require software purchase, subscription or enablement by a software or platform provider, and third-party software may have specific configuration or compatibility requirements. Potential NPU inferencing performance varies by use, configuration, and other factors.
Microsoft Copilot requires Windows 11. Some features require an NPU. Timing of feature delivery and availability varies by market and device. Requires Microsoft account to log in. Where Copilot is not available, the Copilot key will lead to the Bing search engine.
That's... standard Windows? It's 100% the same for Apple machines, if stated in more mellifluous tones (or not stated at all, because "screw you, we're Apple"), and even more so for Chromebooks.
> It's 100% the same for Apple machines,
> Requires Microsoft account to log in. Where Copilot is not available, the Copilot key will lead to the Bing search engine.
An Apple account is most certainly not needed to log in. In-fact being online is not even a requirement for Apple devices. Wild idea, I know.
I want less microsoft/copilot in things, not more.
I don't know who this is for.
I don't understand the advantages of this over a laptop (this is essentially laptop-grade hardware and thermal profile but without the screen & battery).
It's for businesses that don't need high computation, achieving effectively the same "monitor and keyboard" effect as the iMac; and for people using AR glasses like XReal One, Viture, etc.
> It's for businesses that don't need high computation
100 svchost.exe processes, Croudstrike, Ivanti and one more antispyware for "compliance". Yes, no more power left for actual computation.
Countdown to the first blog post about Linux "running so fast" on this thing.
It has an optional battery. This could be pretty epic for a glasses interface.
You'd want a TKL, not a 105 keys at the very least if you were interested by portability.
So a real cyberdeck then? (Case's Ono-Sendai was a plain slab with a keyboard and interface for the "trodes" that communicated directly with your brain.)
You don't have to pay for the small laptop screen. That makes it cheaper, smaller, lighter, in theory.
It also ties you to a desk. If you're working in one location, a desktop PC would be more cost-effective and more performant. If you need mobility between desks, a small form factor PC would be easier to carry. And if you are an employer and expect employees to work from home on this keyboard, you need to buy monitors for their homes.
> a desktop PC would be more cost-effective and more performant.
But ugly and taking up space, which is why the iMac exists and has been pretty successful for decades at this point.
> If you need mobility between desks, a small form factor PC would be easier
Maybe, but performant AR glasses are changing that equation. The cyberdeck, as an ideal, still exists for a reason.
> if you are an employer and expect employees to work from home on this keyboard, you need to buy monitors for their homes.
Do you? Is that law where you live? Because it's definitely not here in UK. I'd rather work on my trusty 4k than some shitty cheapo Dell only provided to tick a box.
Office PC thats easier to steal?
How does cooling get implemented? I can only really think of a Pi500 as a similar concept, except that the Pi is (likely) much less power intense. If they're using a Ryzen 300, wouldn't heat dissapation become an issue? The keyboard looks too thin for extensive heat transfer. I guess they could use a undervolted Ryzen 300 but it just seems like there is too much power delivery needs inside such a small frame.
One of the YouTubers had open it up, it uses laptop fans, it itself, is basically a squished laptop.
I’m excited though. I always liked that form factor. Add some good HUD glasses and a mouse and were sailing free!
specs are unclear, but given the size, TDP and optional battery, it almost certainly has a laptop-scale fan and heat sink. Modern fans are pretty quiet, nearly silent at idle, so it's not an issue.
there was a teardown showing the fan. very typical laptop fan
Editorialized title (The powerful AI PC that hides in plain sight)
Actual coverage from Ars: HP's EliteBoard G1a is a Ryzen-powered Windows 11 PC in a membrane keyboard (3 points) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46551335
Given the weird take on x86 being inherently "more powerful" and the copy-pasted error from the marketing site (32W vs 32WH) this "article" looks like gently massaged advertising copy:
> Alternatively, HP’s EliteBoard will bring Windows and a more powerful x86 architecture to the keyboard-PC form factor. HP says the EliteBoard will support Windows 11 Pro for Business and an AMD Ryzen AI 300-series processor with an up to 50 TOPs NPU. The device will be sold with a 32 W internal battery and is part of Microsoft’s Copilot+ PC program.
AMD Ryzen AI 300
These are great. The Ryzen AI series are the ones that allow memory to be shared between the GPU and CPU, so you can use almost all your system RAM to run local models.
The AI 395+ MAX is available with up to 128Gb RAM (and I think 256Gb is coming).
The important thing is how much RAM it comes with because it is soldered - and for some reason this doesn't seem to show the RAM!
If you scroll further down, there's an image of a woman holding an opened keyboard with a SODIMM in her other hand so I'd guess that means it's user-swappable.
If really aimed at the business segment, as it appears to be, it's likely to have serviceable RAM.
In a few years, there will be more (relative} gold in thriftshop keyboard sludge-piles.
Yep. Found my cyberdeck, a couple years out!
making a beowulf cluster out of keyboards, maybe that's the future given the increasing scarcity around computer parts...
> the worlds most serviceable keyboard PC.
Any idea why raspberry didn’t use compute modules in the pi500? IMHO that should have been trivially upgradable but will likely be the shortest lived keyboard I’ve ever had when the pi6 comes out.
What's old is new again. Hasn't anybody seen a Commodore 64?
My first PC was a Schneider Euro PC. Now, this is even slimmer!
Compared with Commodore 64, this HP is a parody. They spared the space to a minimum (is cheap plastic so expensive ?), the keyboard is terrible.
The main advantage seems to be that, if you try to actually use it, it will force you to take a break, because your fingers will be burning from touching the keys heated by the processor.
I'd welcome a heated keyboard right now, temp is 17°C in my office as I am writing this and I do feel my fingers tend to be less reactive.
Funny because I don't mind 17°C outside.
Wedge computers came out in the 80s, I'm not sure which part of this is "revolutionary".
I dislike how ai is a major selling point of this computer; then again, I understand it’s a buzzword at this point.
Funnily enough, with the name being “HP EliteBoard G1a Next Gen AI PC”, I know I’m supposed to read it as “(next gen) ai”, but I can’t help seeing “next (gen ai)”.
I want one the size and shape of the HP-200LX. Oh, in that case, please add a 4K color OLED screen and 5G radio. Lenovo stick for mouse.
I think I'll just wait for Chinese to create their clones of this and buy it at half the price.
no thanks, i prefer a https://frame.work/gr/en/desktop
Ah, the HP-99/4A. I'd heard of this and kinda almost wanted one, but I think skyrocketing RAM and SSD prices will make it even more not worth the money/hassle.
Are the little NUC sized boxes too obtrusive? I don't understand who will buy this keyboard.
and to reset it you just have to type SYS 64738
“Ok hear me out, a laptop but without the screen”
Not any laptop, an AI copilot laptop!