I've played with this a bit and it's ok. I'd place it somewhere around sonnet 4.5 level, probably below. But with this aggressive pricing you can just run 3 copies to do the same thing, choose the one that succeeded and still come out way ahead with the cost. Not as great as following instructions as Claude models and can get lost, but still "good enough".
I'm very happy with using it to just "do things". When doing in depth debugging or a massive plan is needed, I'd go with something better, but later going through the motions? It works.
Would it kill them to use the words "AI coding agent" somewhere prominent?
"MiniMax M2.1: Significantly Enhanced Multi-Language Programming, Built for Real-World Complex Tasks" could be an IDE, a UI framework, a performance library, or, or...
That reinforces OP’s point that it isn’t clear from their wording. I initially thought it was a speech model, then I saw Python, etc., and it took me a bit more reading to understand what it actually is
HA! I almost added a disclaimer to the original message that I wasn't certain in my identification, hence the request/complaint that they didn't make it clear. But I figured the message would be more effective if I "confidently got it wrong" rather than asking, so I went with it.
its main Chinese competitor GLM is like making 50 cents USD each in the past 6 months from its 40 million "developer users", calling your flagship model "AI coding agent" is like telling investors "we are doing this for fun, not for money".
I think people should stop comparing to sonnet, but to opus instead since it's so far ahead on producing code I would actually want to use (gemini 3 pro tends to be lacking in generalization and wants things to be using it's own style rather than adapting).
Whatever benchmark opus is ahead in should be treated as a very important metric of proper generalization in models.
I generally prefer Sonnet as comparison too. Opus, as good as it is, is just too expensive. The "best" model is the one I can use, not the one I can't afford.
These days, by default I just use Sonnet/Haiku. In most cases it's more than good enough for me. It's plenty with $20 plan.
With MiniMax, or GLM-4.7, some people like me are just looking for Sonnet level capability at much cheaper price.
Are you using GLM-4.7? I've just spent a fortune on Opus, and I heard GLM was close -- but after integrating it into cursor, it seems to spin forever, loose tool use, and generates partial? plans. I did look into using it with the claude cli tool, so it could be cursor specific -- but I havent had the best experience despite going for the pro plan with them. Any advise on how you're using GLM effectively? If at all
At the moment Opus is the only model i can trust even when it generates "refactoring work", it can do the refactoring.
Very anecdotal but for me this model has very weak prompt adherence. I compared it a tiny bit to gemini flash 3.0 and simple things like "don't use markdown tables in output" was very hard to get with m2.1
Took me like 5 prompt iterations until it finally listened.
But it's very good, better than flash 3.0 in terms of code output and reasoning while being cheaper.
> MiniMax has been continuously transforming itself in a more AI-native way. The core driving forces of this process are models, Agent scaffolding, and organization. Throughout the exploration process, we have gained increasingly deeper understanding of these three aspects. Today we are releasing updates to the model component, namely MiniMax M2.1, hoping to help more enterprises and individuals find more AI-native ways of working (and living) sooner.
This compresses to: “We are updating our model, MiniMax, to 2.1. Agent harnesses exist and Agents are getting more capable.”
A good model and agent harness, pointed at the task of writing this post, might suggest less verbosity and complexity— it comes off as fake and hype-chasing to me, even if your model is actually good. I disengage there.
I saw yall give a lightning talk recently and it was similarly hype-y. Perhaps this is a translation or cultural thing.
so when MiniMax released a pretty capable model, you choose to ignore the model itself and just focus a single sentence they wrote in the release note and started bad mouthing it.
It’s called bikeshedding and yes it’s a cultural thing on HN. [1]
Most people here are big company worker bees where they take zero risks and do very little of substance.
In these organizations, it’s common for large groups of people to get together in “meetings” and endlessly nitpick surface-level details of unimportant things while completely missing the big picture because it’s far too complex to allow for easy opinions or smart-sounding critique.
a model is not software, it is a bunch of weights.
you are more than welcomed to pick whatever model or software you choose to trust, that is totally fine. However, that is vastly different from bad mouthing a model or software just because its release note contains a single sentence you don't like.
> It exhibits consistent and stable results in tools such as Claude Code, Droid (Factory AI), Cline, Kilo Code, Roo Code, and BlackBox, while providing reliable support for Context Management mechanisms including Skill.md, Claude.md/agent.md/cursorrule, and Slash Commands.
One of the demos shows them using Claude Code, which is interesting. And the next sections are titled 'Digital Employee' and 'End-to-End Office Automation'. Their ambitions obviously go beyond coding. A sign of things to come...
Claude doesn't officially support using other, non-Anthropic models, right? So did they patch the code or fake the Claude API, or some other hack to get around that?
anthropic playbook does include the false claim publicly made by its CEO that "in six months AI would be writing 90 percent of code". he made that claim 10 months ago. it is a criminal offence for intentionally misleading investors in many countries.
I’ve spent a little bit of time testing Minimax M2. It’s quite good given the small size but it did make some odd mistakes and struggle with precise instructions.
How is everyone monitoring the skill/utility of all these different models? I am overwhelmed by how many they are, and the challenge of monitoring their capability across so many different modalities.
That they are still training models against Objective-C is all the proof you need that it will outlive Swift.
When is someone going to vibe code Objective-C 3.0? Borrowing all of the actual good things that have happened since 2.0 is closer than you'd think thanks to LLVM and friends.
Why would they not? Existing objective-c apps will still need updates and various work. Models are still trained on assembler for architectures that don't meaningfully exist today as well.
I've played with this a bit and it's ok. I'd place it somewhere around sonnet 4.5 level, probably below. But with this aggressive pricing you can just run 3 copies to do the same thing, choose the one that succeeded and still come out way ahead with the cost. Not as great as following instructions as Claude models and can get lost, but still "good enough".
I'm very happy with using it to just "do things". When doing in depth debugging or a massive plan is needed, I'd go with something better, but later going through the motions? It works.
Would it kill them to use the words "AI coding agent" somewhere prominent?
"MiniMax M2.1: Significantly Enhanced Multi-Language Programming, Built for Real-World Complex Tasks" could be an IDE, a UI framework, a performance library, or, or...
It's not an AI coding agent. It's an LLM that can be used for whatever you'd like, including powering coding agents.
That reinforces OP’s point that it isn’t clear from their wording. I initially thought it was a speech model, then I saw Python, etc., and it took me a bit more reading to understand what it actually is
HA! I almost added a disclaimer to the original message that I wasn't certain in my identification, hence the request/complaint that they didn't make it clear. But I figured the message would be more effective if I "confidently got it wrong" rather than asking, so I went with it.
Some sad irony: just like saying the wrong thing is more likely to get you a reply, using a poor title gets them more engagement.
its main Chinese competitor GLM is like making 50 cents USD each in the past 6 months from its 40 million "developer users", calling your flagship model "AI coding agent" is like telling investors "we are doing this for fun, not for money".
I think people should stop comparing to sonnet, but to opus instead since it's so far ahead on producing code I would actually want to use (gemini 3 pro tends to be lacking in generalization and wants things to be using it's own style rather than adapting).
Whatever benchmark opus is ahead in should be treated as a very important metric of proper generalization in models.
I generally prefer Sonnet as comparison too. Opus, as good as it is, is just too expensive. The "best" model is the one I can use, not the one I can't afford.
These days, by default I just use Sonnet/Haiku. In most cases it's more than good enough for me. It's plenty with $20 plan.
With MiniMax, or GLM-4.7, some people like me are just looking for Sonnet level capability at much cheaper price.
Are you using GLM-4.7? I've just spent a fortune on Opus, and I heard GLM was close -- but after integrating it into cursor, it seems to spin forever, loose tool use, and generates partial? plans. I did look into using it with the claude cli tool, so it could be cursor specific -- but I havent had the best experience despite going for the pro plan with them. Any advise on how you're using GLM effectively? If at all
At the moment Opus is the only model i can trust even when it generates "refactoring work", it can do the refactoring.
are you counting price per token or price per successful task? I'm pretty sure opus 4.5 is cheaper per task than sonnet in some use cases.
The weights got released on huggingface now.
https://huggingface.co/MiniMaxAI/MiniMax-M2.1
Very anecdotal but for me this model has very weak prompt adherence. I compared it a tiny bit to gemini flash 3.0 and simple things like "don't use markdown tables in output" was very hard to get with m2.1
Took me like 5 prompt iterations until it finally listened.
But it's very good, better than flash 3.0 in terms of code output and reasoning while being cheaper.
> MiniMax has been continuously transforming itself in a more AI-native way. The core driving forces of this process are models, Agent scaffolding, and organization. Throughout the exploration process, we have gained increasingly deeper understanding of these three aspects. Today we are releasing updates to the model component, namely MiniMax M2.1, hoping to help more enterprises and individuals find more AI-native ways of working (and living) sooner.
This compresses to: “We are updating our model, MiniMax, to 2.1. Agent harnesses exist and Agents are getting more capable.”
A good model and agent harness, pointed at the task of writing this post, might suggest less verbosity and complexity— it comes off as fake and hype-chasing to me, even if your model is actually good. I disengage there.
I saw yall give a lightning talk recently and it was similarly hype-y. Perhaps this is a translation or cultural thing.
so when MiniMax released a pretty capable model, you choose to ignore the model itself and just focus a single sentence they wrote in the release note and started bad mouthing it.
is it a cultural thing?
It’s called bikeshedding and yes it’s a cultural thing on HN. [1]
Most people here are big company worker bees where they take zero risks and do very little of substance.
In these organizations, it’s common for large groups of people to get together in “meetings” and endlessly nitpick surface-level details of unimportant things while completely missing the big picture because it’s far too complex to allow for easy opinions or smart-sounding critique.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
If I use a software I need to trust it.
a model is not software, it is a bunch of weights.
you are more than welcomed to pick whatever model or software you choose to trust, that is totally fine. However, that is vastly different from bad mouthing a model or software just because its release note contains a single sentence you don't like.
The API is software. You don't get the weights.
The weights are open.
Not sure it’s a cultural thing since most of the copy coming out of DeepSeek has been pretty straightforward.
I still can’t figure out what it does
Money, it does money
It's a neural network model, and it could generate text following a given text.
You should ask ChatGPT.
It's an LLM for coding.
You are not alone
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me too
> It exhibits consistent and stable results in tools such as Claude Code, Droid (Factory AI), Cline, Kilo Code, Roo Code, and BlackBox, while providing reliable support for Context Management mechanisms including Skill.md, Claude.md/agent.md/cursorrule, and Slash Commands.
One of the demos shows them using Claude Code, which is interesting. And the next sections are titled 'Digital Employee' and 'End-to-End Office Automation'. Their ambitions obviously go beyond coding. A sign of things to come...
Claude doesn't officially support using other, non-Anthropic models, right? So did they patch the code or fake the Claude API, or some other hack to get around that?
they are going IPO in HKEX in a few weeks. some hype up are necessary, not too far fetched imo, pretty much same as anthropic playbook.
anthropic playbook does include the false claim publicly made by its CEO that "in six months AI would be writing 90 percent of code". he made that claim 10 months ago. it is a criminal offence for intentionally misleading investors in many countries.
MiniMax is like 100x more honest.
Does it come as misleading if you honestly believe what you're saying but are simply mistaken?
Their site crashes my phone browser while scrolling. Is that the expected quality of output of their product?
Should a website be able to crash a browser?
If a website can crash your browser, the problem is your browser...
I’ve spent a little bit of time testing Minimax M2. It’s quite good given the small size but it did make some odd mistakes and struggle with precise instructions.
This is an announcement for M2.1 not M2. It got a decent bump in agent capabilities.
https://www.minimax.io/news/minimax-m21
I won't say it's same on the level of claude models but it's definitely good at coming up with frontend designs
How is everyone monitoring the skill/utility of all these different models? I am overwhelmed by how many they are, and the challenge of monitoring their capability across so many different modalities.
https://www.swebench.com
https://swe-rebench.com
https://livebench.ai/#/
https://eqbench.com/#
https://contextarena.ai/?needles=8
https://metr.org/blog/2025-03-19-measuring-ai-ability-to-com...
https://artificialanalysis.ai/leaderboards/models
https://gorilla.cs.berkeley.edu/leaderboard.html
https://github.com/lechmazur/confabulations
https://dubesor.de/benchtable
https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/llm-benchmark.html
https://huggingface.co/spaces/DontPlanToEnd/UGI-Leaderboard
I’d stick to artificial analysis
This is the best summary, in my opinion. You can also see the individual scores on the benchmarks they use to compute their overall scores.
It's nice and simple in the overview mode though. Breaks it down into an intelligence ranking, a coding ranking, and an agentic ranking.
https://artificialanalysis.ai/
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One of the cited reviews goes:
“We're excited for powerful open-source models like M2.1 […]”
Yet as far as I can tell, this model isn’t open at all. Not even open weights, nevermind open source.
Repo made public a few minutes ago:
https://huggingface.co/MiniMaxAI/MiniMax-M2.1
It's scheduled for release. They jumped the gun with the news. But at far as we know, it's still coming out, just like M2.
I don’t get it. What’s the holdup? Uploading a model to Hugging Face isn’t exactly difficult.
Yeah I don't see anyway to download this, ollama has it as cloud only.
That they are still training models against Objective-C is all the proof you need that it will outlive Swift.
When is someone going to vibe code Objective-C 3.0? Borrowing all of the actual good things that have happened since 2.0 is closer than you'd think thanks to LLVM and friends.
I’m sure you can find some COBOL code in many of the training sets. Not sure I would build my next startup using COBOL.
Why would they not? Existing objective-c apps will still need updates and various work. Models are still trained on assembler for architectures that don't meaningfully exist today as well.