80 comments

  • me_bx 3 days ago ago

    Congrats on launching, beautiful design.

    I'm not sure of what "production ready" is supposed to mean here, but the demo image is not optimized, `optipng` command decreases its size by 53.21%.

    • threecheese 2 days ago ago

      IME it’s a term that’s been popularized by generative AI solutions, a meme at this point, and doesn’t speak to real production readiness quantifiably (professionally). It’s something that I’ve seen models frequently claim during coding and planning sessions, and it can also be found around Reddit/Twitter/Github vibe coding spaces.

      Seeing this term in marketing materials signals that the target audience is non-professionals (and I don’t mean this derisively, only that we need to apply a different lens).

    • kristopolous 2 days ago ago

      also don't ignore webp and avif ... those can really do wonders.

    • spiderfarmer 2 days ago ago

      The bots using these images apply their own compression anyway.

    • alvinunreal 2 days ago ago

      Thank you. Can add png compression too right.

    • derefr 2 days ago ago

      > I'm not sure of what "production ready" is supposed to mean here

      Given this text at the bottom:

      > The high-performance HTML to PNG engine. Built for developers, agents, and automation. Completely free to use. All generated assets are public and ephemeral.

      ...I assume the implications are that:

      1. this service will scale to meet request load without QoS degradation (i.e. it's probably running on FaaS infra), rather than being a fixed-size slowly-elastic cluster that would get choked out if your downstream service got popular and flooded it with thousands of concurrent requests

      2. you can directly take the URLs the service spits out, and serve them to your downstream service's clients, without worrying much about deliverability, because there's an object store + edge CDN involved.

      In other words, it's not just a single headless-chromium instance running on a box somewhere; you could actually use this thing as an upstream dependency and rely on it.

      > the demo image is not optimized, `optipng` command decreases its size by 53.21%

      Given that the author's imagined use-case is giving non-multimodal LLMs a way to emit visuals (the prompt at the bottom of the page starts "When asked to create visuals, charts, or mockups"), I think their idea is that the resulting rendered images would more-likely-than-not only be requested once, immediately, to display the result to the same user who caused the prompt to be evaluated.

      Where, in that case, the metric of concern isn't "time+bytes cost for each marginal fetch of the resulting image from the CDN"; but rather "end-to-end wall-clock time required to load the HTML in the headless browser, bake the image, push it to the object store, and serve it once to the requesting user."

      OptiPNG would slightly lower that last "serve it once" cost, but massively inflate the "bake the image" time, making it not worth it.

      (I suppose they could add image optimization as something you could turn on — but "image optimization at the edge" is already a commodity product you can get from numerous vendors, e.g. Cloudflare.)

    • the_arun 2 days ago ago

      Curious - How did you find the image is not optimized? Is there a tool to find it?

      • me_bx 2 days ago ago

        I ran the command 'optipng' on the generated image, which recompresses the image optimally, keeping quality and decreasing file size.

  • xnx 2 days ago ago

    Sharing in case anyone isn't familiar with this built-in capability:

    google-chrome --headless --screenshot=my_screenshot.png https://www.example.com

    • Lord_Zero 2 days ago ago

      It looks like this app has helpful functions for size, format, and transparency that you can't do with the built in chrome command all at once without probably piping it through inagemagik or something. And even then maybe this site renders the html responsively before rasterizing.

      • fuzzy2 2 days ago ago

        Actually Chrome does everything. Not via command-line switches however, you need to use the DevTools protocol. For example using Playwright. You get PDFs and PNGs of any size and resolution (PPI).

        And I guess this is exactly what this service does under the hood.

    • stronglikedan 2 days ago ago

      This is for the dozen or so people that don't have Chrome installed.

      • nabeards 2 days ago ago

        I personally haven't had Chrome installed anywhere in years. I think there are more than a dozen of us!

        • DemocracyFTW2 2 days ago ago

          (checks list) --Mh, yah so, you've got a point there (scribbles, smiles, extends hand) --Welcome dear Sir or Madam, or, as we will call you, Number Thirteen!

      • thekevan 2 days ago ago

        I have this PC for over 2 years and did not realize I didn't have Chrome installed until Google's Antigravity prompted me to do so for its agent.

        So it's installed now but still un-personalized like it was installed 5 minutes ago. I don't use it except with Antigravity.

    • remify 2 days ago ago

      At work we are using this feature. A lot of time we need to do some kind of pdf reporting. We built them as html pages and print them as pdf.

      Works fine.

    • threecheese 2 days ago ago

      But is this “production-ready”?

  • Retr0id 3 days ago ago

    What differentiates production-ready images from regular images?

    • RadiozRadioz 3 days ago ago

      They're bedazzled by a little bit of marketing flair.

      Generally I find production-ready images have more synergy and tend to be web-scale. Often they're built from the ground up for AI & are blazing fast, at scale, and empower your team whilst unlocking new possibilities. As my sibling comment suggests, being cloud-native is a crucial factor too.

      • ludicrousdispla 3 days ago ago

        If I need more flair can I embed the image in a new html page and then create another image from that?

      • threecheese 2 days ago ago

        All you had to drop was “web scale”, so much meaning compressed into that :)

      • estebarb 2 days ago ago

        I'm confused. It was sarcasm?

        • lima 2 days ago ago

          Hard to say these days!

      • 4ndrewl 3 days ago ago

        Downvoted for not starting with "Great question!" /s

    • apeters 3 days ago ago

      They are cloud-native, of course.

    • back2reddit 3 days ago ago

      It's not an image—it's an image on the edge.

      No cruft. No legacy formats.

      Just buttery smooth production readiness.

      • b0ner_t0ner 3 days ago ago

        > buttery smooth

        But buttery bloated if the images don't run OptiPNG before exporting.

      • andrecarini 3 days ago ago

        Thanks ChatGPT

      • xgulfie 2 days ago ago

        But are they Blazing Fast (rocket ship emoji)? Are they vibe ready?

    • jsight 2 days ago ago

      It probably means that the text was generated by an AI.

      Claude Code loves to say that everything is production ready, even if it doesn't quite compile or pass automated tests yet.

    • vbezhenar 2 days ago ago

      Production-ready image can be scaled effortlessly both in vertical and horizontal direction.

  • oefrha 3 days ago ago

    I’m afraid out of all the waiting strategies available in Puppeteer/Playwright, waiting a fixed period is the worst possible. Maybe consider exposing the proper waiting strategies, load/domcontentloaded/networkidle, maybe even the more fine-grained ones https://playwright.dev/docs/actionability

    • Retr0id 3 days ago ago

      I did some tests and it didn't seem like a fixed wait, when I kept making network requests the render timed out entirely.

      • oefrha 3 days ago ago

        I made the comment based on the delay parameter (“Wait time in ms.”) in the API. I didn’t test so don’t know what the default behavior is.

  • rognjen 3 days ago ago

    It's nice looking for sure but much more complex than using `wkhtmltox` with `pngquant`, `optipng` and/or ImageMagick `convert` locally - esp. since the learning curve seems to be about equivalent.

    • krick 3 days ago ago

      Yeah, I thought that as well. So I was wondering if that's some kind of a joke, or maybe modern html is so fucked up that all usual solutions became obsolete since the last time I did that.

    • mewpmewp2 2 days ago ago

      Won't you need to install extra libraries for these?

  • reassess_blind 3 days ago ago

    I thought this was satire. Usually you want to go from image to HTML, not the other way around. I suppose it does have its uses, though.

    • devmor 3 days ago ago

      It certainly does, that's why it's been a common dev tool for a bit over 20 years. I'm not really sure what the point of OP making it a web app is, though.

    • spiderfarmer 2 days ago ago

      So why comment?

  • thatgerhard 2 days ago ago

    This must be the hardest way to create an image online ever invented.

  • randoments 3 days ago ago

    What is the use case for requiring this?

    • mattrighetti 2 days ago ago

      Dynamic og:image generator could be a use case.

      Think of the GitHub thumbnails where the PR number changes constantly and has to be reflected on the image preview

  • albert_e 2 days ago ago

    This looks interesting though niche -- am yet to think of a compelling use case.

    I am sure @simonw has some ideas :) -- he recently blogged about HTML tools which is also one or my favorite use cases for LLMs.

    Maybe similar to SVG generation, this could be a more powerful / flexible way to generate complex images / screen mockups and the like on-the-fly.

    PS: How do the economics work -- how is this free to use?

    PS2: The live HTML editor seems buggy. Cursor is off by one position and messes up editing. (chrome on windows)

  • geooff_ 3 days ago ago

    Very cool. Is there an option to self-host? This seems like it could be a cool agent skill.

    • threeducks 3 days ago ago

      HTML to PNG:

          chromium --headless --disable-gpu --screenshot=output.png --window-size=1920,1080 --hide-scrollbars index.html
      
      Also works great for HTML to PDF:

          chromium --headless --disable-gpu --no-pdf-header-footer --run-all-compositor-stages-before-draw --print-to-pdf=output.pdf index.html
  • jihchi 3 days ago ago

    This is cool! One use case is generating a Mermaid diagram as an image. For example, you can use the following HTML[^1]:

      <!doctype html>
      <html lang="en">
        <body>
          <pre class="mermaid">
        graph LR
            A --- B
            B-->C[fa:fa-ban forbidden]
            B-->D(fa:fa-spinner);
          </pre>
          <script type="module">
            import mermaid from 'https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/mermaid@11/dist/mermaid.esm.min.mjs';
          </script>
        </body>
      </html>
    
    Then html2png.dev will serve you:

      https://html2png.dev/api/blob/oTVGhhCc6rDZYQFDIE3EGkcKs-KO6J9-_DHs-jO2OJc-d23fb4f2.png
    
    [^1]: https://mermaid.js.org/config/usage.html#simple-full-example
    • JimDabell 3 days ago ago

      Why wouldn’t you just use Mermaid to generate the PNG directly?

      • Garlef 3 days ago ago

        One reason I could think of: Fewer dependencies that need integration

        • JimDabell 3 days ago ago

          By introducing a dependency on a third-party service with no SLA? This seems to make the dependency situation worse.

          • mcny 2 days ago ago

            Ah haha. I love this conversation of trying to find a product market fit in public.

            What if the input to the JavaScript (mermaid in this case) is not trusted to run on the end client machines but by running untrusted input on a sandbox (this service, or self hosted idk) is somehow acceptable and the output a blob of an image is acceptable to display on the actual client machines.

            Takes the planets to align just right and need us to squint just enough but I think we can find something if we look hard enough.

            But then mermaid can simply output PNG so you could run it as a worker... Thinking...

  • tbrownaw 3 days ago ago

    Playwright behind a web server?

    • franze 2 days ago ago

      well, you can create an image that reports the internal, this is what i got:

        - IP: 104.28.157.29
        - Org: Cloudflare (AS13335)
        - Location: Narita, Chiba, Japan
        - Browser: Chrome 126.0.0.0 headless
        - Automation: Puppeteer/Playwright
        - navigator.webdriver: true
        - Platform: Linux x86_64
        - CPU cores: 4
        - WebGL: ANGLE + Vulkan 1.3.0 + SwiftShader
        - GPU: SwiftShader (software rendering)
        - Screen: 1024x768 virtual
        - DevicePixelRatio: 2
        - Color depth: 16 bit
        - Window: 500x88 outer (headless)
        - Languages: en-US
        - Plugins: 5
        - Frontend: Nuxt.js
        - Storage: ephemeral blob
  • agentifysh 3 days ago ago

    that "Not MCP" is so refreshing it makes me laugh out loud

    it's literally waht i've been saying all along when I came across mcp "why can't i just give agent a prompt and it will run the rest api calls for me"

    there's still some MCPs which makes sense but we have it for literally everything when just a prompt will do the job!

    now on the topic of html2png i do wonder is this like the self-hostable version on github https://github.com/maranemil/HTML2Png where they use canvas? or is this something else ?

  • Yash16 2 days ago ago

    What’s the purpose of creating this?

  • donohoe 2 days ago ago

    “Free”?

    What’s the catch, or how I can I be sure it will still be around in 3 months?

    No snark, genuinely curious as I would use this if I could count on it.

    • leptons 2 days ago ago

      The only tech you can trust to be around is the tech you control. And even then it's still a bit iffy if you didn't write all the code yourself and you host it on someone else's servers.

  • dom96 2 days ago ago

    Why HTML? Why not SVG?

    I created an svg to png API to generate open graph images a while back. It works pretty well and can be hosted on Cloudflare Workers for free.

    https://github.com/dom96/svg-renderer

  • novoreorx a day ago ago

    microlink's cards [1] I discovered years ago has similar functionality, and microlink itself [2] is much more sophisticated on leveraging a headless chrome.

    [1]: https://github.com/microlinkhq/cards

    [2]: https://microlink.io/

  • WilcoKruijer 3 days ago ago

    I’ve been doing this manually by having a static development-only route on my website and taking a “node screenshot” using the Chrome developer tools. This is definitely a better way, well done!

  • eastoeast 3 days ago ago

    This is a great idea. I can’t believe I didn’t think of this, given I generate and screenshot so many “poster images” in html just like this. Haven’t played around a ton but seems intuitive. Nice work!

  • onion2k 2 days ago ago

    Alternatively, open devtools, press ctrl+shift+p (or cmd+shift+p on a mac) to open the command palette, search for 'screenshot' and choose 'Capture full size screenshot' to do the same thing on your browser. There's 'area screenshot' for selecting an area, 'screenshot' for the viewport', and even 'node screenshot' for capturing the selected DOM node.

    • spiderfarmer 2 days ago ago

      Yeah and you can also take a picture with your phone. Or draw with pencil and paper.

      • alvinunreal 2 days ago ago

        I just take pictures with my instant polaroid

  • RyanShook 3 days ago ago

    Nice! It definitely makes you wonder when is MCP actually needed vs just giving the LLM API calls to work with.

  • scosman 2 days ago ago

    Looks great for opengraph images.

  • xiaohanyu 3 days ago ago

    Maybe webp is a better target than png?

    • benatkin 3 days ago ago

      No, because their domain is png /s

      I thought webp would be better for this and checked again just to be sure, and yes, it would be better for this. WebP is quite well supported, albeit not as well supported as png, and it can have significantly smaller file sizes for the same lossless image as png.

    • dtagames 3 days ago ago

      It's not. JPG, I could live with but please not webp.

      • Mogzol 3 days ago ago

        Why? I assume the intention is to show these images on a webpage somewhere. WebP is well-supported by browsers and can store lossless images at better compression ratios than PNG, so why not use it? I don't think using a lossy format like JPEG makes much sense. JPEG is a fine format for photos, but for HTML content rendered as an image I assume most people would want a lossless format so you don't get artifacts.

        • dtagames 2 days ago ago

          Because it's impossible to use in other tools. Only browsers get it. But I agree about lossy images for text.

        • kaizenb 3 days ago ago

          Definitely should be WebP.

  • _august a day ago ago

    this is very handy, thanks!

  • jumploops 3 days ago ago

    Love the simplicity and “Not MCP” callout (:

    Not that it matters, but curious what percentage of this service was “vibe-coded”?

  • chevman 3 days ago ago

    Any similar AI based services/agents that can take images/creative assets (eg Figma, Sketch, Adobe PS, etc files) and create production-ready emails and landing pages in HTML?