I'm not minimizing the amount of effort it takes to curate links, but does a mailing list need to constantly grow for it to be viable ? What does it mean to "operate at a loss" in this case ?
My first guess is ESP pricing. Just to pull numbers out of thin air to anchor the conversation, mailing to 20,000 subscribers costs $200–$400/mo at Mailchimp/ConvertKit/Klaviyo, three of the top choices in the space. If it's 50,000 subscribers, that's $380–$800/mo.
These are email marketing platforms, not bulk transaction email platforms, and I don't see why they can't do with the latter. At a bulk transaction platform, such a tiny amount would cost at most $20-$50/mo. If you're willing to do a bit of work to use AWS SES, that would be $2-$5 a month. Azure ACS would be even cheaper.
Just playing devils advocate, but why not just switch to posting on a free hosted blog platform? The information can be there for all to see, it doesnt need to be distributed directly into mailboxes by premium mailer services.
You could just notify the user to add you to their contact list. Like :
Emails will be sent from feed@example.com. If you're not seeing any email, please check your spam inbox and add this address to your contact list,...[rest of notice].
Anyone have any recommendations that aren't run by Cooper? All of the suggestions so far are run by the same person and while I don't have anything against them personally, a bit of diversity wouldn't hurt :)
Unfortunately we've had endless waves of botnets attempting to subscribe thousands of fake email addresses to us over the years, and while our IP reputation system helps keep this at bay, it's also catching quite a lot of legitimate users now thanks to the prevalance of VPNs. So we'll need to come up with a new approach. (And no, even Cloudflare Turnstile isn't enough to keep them away, sadly, as there are plenty of human-backed adversarial networks too trying to make scam Gmail addresses look legit by subscribing them to newsletters.)
However, we do subscribe many people manually, and we also have RSS - http://javascriptweekly.com/rss - so you don't have to deal with email at all if you don't want to. There are also numerous other options out there, which I've linked in a sibling comment.
I'm not minimizing the amount of effort it takes to curate links, but does a mailing list need to constantly grow for it to be viable ? What does it mean to "operate at a loss" in this case ?
My first guess is ESP pricing. Just to pull numbers out of thin air to anchor the conversation, mailing to 20,000 subscribers costs $200–$400/mo at Mailchimp/ConvertKit/Klaviyo, three of the top choices in the space. If it's 50,000 subscribers, that's $380–$800/mo.
These are email marketing platforms, not bulk transaction email platforms, and I don't see why they can't do with the latter. At a bulk transaction platform, such a tiny amount would cost at most $20-$50/mo. If you're willing to do a bit of work to use AWS SES, that would be $2-$5 a month. Azure ACS would be even cheaper.
How much does it cost if you make your SMTP server connect to their SMTP servers and exchange mail?
Every bulk transactional email provider I could find* allows SMTP relay even in the basic/free plans. That feature seems to come for free everywhere.
* e.g. SendGrid, Postmark, mailjet, mailgun, mailerroo, etc.
Just playing devils advocate, but why not just switch to posting on a free hosted blog platform? The information can be there for all to see, it doesnt need to be distributed directly into mailboxes by premium mailer services.
I have no idea whether the hosting is free, but they already have an online archive [1].
Either way, "free hosting" doesn't cover the time required to produce each issue.
If you're happy to do such ongoing work without recompense, please consider starting a successor.
[1] https://ecmascript.news/archive.html
The parent comment I was replying to was talking about the cost of distributing a mailing list via email. I was replying to that, no need for snark.
You can send emails for free if you don't use some bullshit platform, no?
You can send emails without these platforms, but your emails very likely will not be recieved if you do.
Email is an incredibly broken technology.
You could just notify the user to add you to their contact list. Like :
If you’re not seeing the email in the first place, you’re not seeing the “fix.”
The message should be in the subscribe page, not in an email.
Wait, but then they wouldn't be able to subscribe you to their shit without your consent.
Seems obvious that it wasn't generating enough money to make it a viable venture for the person putting in the work.
> The number of advertisers and subscribers has been slowly but steadily decreasing
This does not entail that they need "constant growth" to be viable.
it costs money to send a lot of emails that aren't immediately blocked or sent to the junk folder
Regardless of the growth discussion, I liked reading the newsletter! Thank you for curating it :)
Too bad, I liked it. Does anyone have a good alternative to the newsletter?
https://javascriptweekly.com, https://frontendfoc.us
Also https://nodeweekly.com.
Checked my emails, turns out I've been subscribed to ES News from the first issue in 2016.
Anyone have any recommendations that aren't run by Cooper? All of the suggestions so far are run by the same person and while I don't have anything against them personally, a bit of diversity wouldn't hurt :)
Hi. I am he. But I agree!
https://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/ https://thisweekinreact.com/ https://piccalil.li/the-index/ https://bytes.dev/ https://www.reddit.com/r/reactjs https://www.reddit.com/r/node (and typescript and vuejs and angular..)
The more the merrier.
Also HN is pretty good itself much of the time. For example: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastWeek&page=0&prefix=fal...
I like bytes.dev
https://bytes.dev/
This also gave me an "invalid request" response.
These both gave me an "invalid request" when I tried to sign up. I'm on my cell phone so I can't debug further.
Unfortunately we've had endless waves of botnets attempting to subscribe thousands of fake email addresses to us over the years, and while our IP reputation system helps keep this at bay, it's also catching quite a lot of legitimate users now thanks to the prevalance of VPNs. So we'll need to come up with a new approach. (And no, even Cloudflare Turnstile isn't enough to keep them away, sadly, as there are plenty of human-backed adversarial networks too trying to make scam Gmail addresses look legit by subscribing them to newsletters.)
However, we do subscribe many people manually, and we also have RSS - http://javascriptweekly.com/rss - so you don't have to deal with email at all if you don't want to. There are also numerous other options out there, which I've linked in a sibling comment.
Awesome, I just added your feeds to my RSS reader. I appreciate you offering that option.
Thanks for the prompt response. Keep up the good work! :)