Show HN: F32 – An Extremely Small ESP32 Board

(github.com)

224 points | by pegor a day ago ago

35 comments

  • jacquesm 12 hours ago ago

    If you add another GPIO and make a silicone mold you could make an in-cable eavesdropper on USB connections that streams out the data via the wifi. That would be a pretty scary tool in the right circumstances.

    • atemerev 12 hours ago ago

      These cables can be bought for like $200 mostly legally.

  • tmpfs a day ago ago

    This is a very cool experiment, even if the board doesn't end up being that practical (the antenna hack is going to be an ongoing issue I think) your documentation looks great at a glance!

    • pegor a day ago ago

      Thank you! I agree, antenna definitely needs some improvement.

  • actinium226 5 hours ago ago

    Neat! I just sent out an order to JLCPCB for an ESP32 based board. I don't have a rework station or any experience with SMT so I decided to go for their assembly options. It's 80 per board, but would probably be cheaper per board if I got more than 2 (I also have more components on my board than you).

    Question about the instructions in your README, you say that once you're done with the top side, repeat for the bottom, but when you're working on the bottom side, what stops the elements on the top side from falling off once the heat passes through the board and melts the solder on that side?

    • pegor 2 hours ago ago

      Working on the bottom side I only used the heat gun really carefully on the resistors then used a soldering iron with a fine tip for the usb-c connector since the leads are fairly large.

    • 4b11b4 2 hours ago ago

      Surface tension of solder in liquid state can hold the parts while upside down. Depends on weight of component & geometry of pads

    • brokenmachine 3 hours ago ago

      "Bottom side must be done using a rework hot air gun, not possible with hotplate."

      Basically you're hoping the bottom side doesn't get hot enough for everything to move or fall off.

  • Rebelgecko 11 hours ago ago

    Really cool. I just ran into a situation where it would be handy to have a small Bluetooth device that plugs into USB-C. However soldering something like this seems a bit beyond me, is there a more turnkey solution?

    • dotancohen 8 hours ago ago

      The company that printed the PCB, PCBWay, also offers PCBAs. They're really not expensive, though you might need to order in batches of multiples of five.

      • actinium226 5 hours ago ago

        JLCPCB also offers assembly and they're much, much cheaper, like an order of magnitude cheaper.

  • stavros 8 hours ago ago

    This is great, well done! I don't know where I'd use this, but I'd definitely want to use it.

  • Swannie 7 hours ago ago

    I was thinking "how much smaller than the cheap 30mm x 25mm boards on AliE can you go?" ... much smaller!

    Very nice.

    • selcuka 2 hours ago ago

      FYI XIAOs are 21x18mm.

  • anyg a day ago ago

    If it is a little bigger to incorporate a bigger chip antenna and some GPIO pins, it is going to be very useful for a lot of IoT projects!!

    • margalabargala 13 hours ago ago

      The XIAO series of ESP32s is exactly that.

      They are 4x the size though, almost exactly double in both length and width.

      https://wiki.seeedstudio.com/XIAO_ESP32C3_Getting_Started/

      • dotancohen 8 hours ago ago

        It's also got 15 times as many GPIO pins as the board in the fine article.

        And this PCBA will be smaller than the battery in most applications anyway.

        • margalabargala 8 hours ago ago

          It only has 14 pins, 3 of which are 5v, 3.3v, and ground, so slight exaggeration :-) point taken though

      • sho_hn 8 hours ago ago

        These are quite lovely. Ceramic SMD antennas are awesome.

    • pegor 15 hours ago ago

      Definitely would be more functional with more of the GPIOs exposed.

      • forsalebypwner 13 hours ago ago

        If you want an ESP32 dev board with GPIOs exposed there are dozens (or hundreds, maybe thousands) of other options out there. It makes sense not to expose them when you're going for the smallest possible footprint.

    • PunchyHamster 13 hours ago ago

      there is plenty of those already and not all too hard to make yourself, see LilyGo T01-C3

      Its of format of original ESP8 so you get serial + 3 IO pins

  • allenrb 7 hours ago ago

    Jesus. You had me at “hand-soldered 01005 components”.

    I’m tempted to try a few of these just to see how disastrous my build efforts are.

  • ingen0s 13 hours ago ago

    Nice work, kudos!

  • Gys 12 hours ago ago

    > PCBWay does also offer assembly services

    Seriously? For a tiny board like this also? Genuine question.

    • kube-system 12 hours ago ago

      yes, but they use a machine, they don't do it by hand.

  • puzzlingcaptcha 11 hours ago ago

    01005? Oh no no no. I can barely do 0402s by hand and those are _2.5x_ larger.

    • joemi 8 hours ago ago

      Wouldn't 0402 be 4x larger (if comparing lengths) or 16x larger (if comparing areas), not 2.5x?

      Edit: Nevermind, I was wrong. I see now that the sizes don't actually directly correspond to the number codes! 01005 is 0.4mm x 0.2mm and 0402 is 1mm x 0.5mm. That's annoyingly confusing, IMO.

      • Neywiny 3 hours ago ago

        Metric mm vs imperial thou. Confusing but at least explainable

    • sho_hn 10 hours ago ago

      With one of those mini-hotplates for reflow soldering and a LCD microscope it's still fairly doable.

    • VTimofeenko 11 hours ago ago

      FWIW, there's a step by step soldering guide in the readme:

      https://github.com/PegorK/f32#building-the-f32

      It looks doable, but of course a lot of carefulling is required when placing the components.

    • numpad0 6 hours ago ago

      infuriating fact: 0402 metric = 01005 imperial, 0402 imperial = 1005 metric. looks like this is the only semi-duplicate in common use.

      • rts_cts 6 hours ago ago

        And that's how I ended up with half a reel of 01005 resistors...

  • NuclearPM a day ago ago

    > This can be seen in my highly necessary depiction below.

    I love this. Fun and insightful article. Thank you.

    • pegor 15 hours ago ago

      Thanks for checking it out!