53 comments

  • furyofantares 3 days ago ago

    > The "lethal trifecta," as described by Simon Willison, is the combination of LLM agents, tool access, and long-term memory that together enable powerful but easily exploitable attack vectors.

    This is a terrible description of the lethal trifecta, it lists 3 things but they are not the trifecta. The trifecta happens to be contained in the things listed in this (and other) examples but it's stated as if the trifecta is listed here, when it is not.

    The trifecta is: access to your private data, exposure to untrusted content, and the ability to externally communicate. Web search as tool for an LLM agent is both exposure to untrusted content and the ability to externally communicate.

    • swyx 3 days ago ago
    • empiko 3 days ago ago

      In my opinion, the trifecta can be reduced further to a simple statement: an attacker who can input into your LLM can control all its resources.

      • furyofantares 2 days ago ago

        It can, but it doesn't really help someone spot the danger.

      • kragen 2 days ago ago

        That isn't a helpful statement, and it also isn't correct.

        • jondwillis 2 days ago ago

          “An LLM with a tool that READS untrusted content, is inherently also WRITING it into the context window.”

          Is a slightly more useful flattening/reduction of the problem that I’m still wordsmithing and evangelizing.

    • Kevcmk 3 days ago ago

      This isn’t the trifecta.

      It’s:

      * Untrusted input

      * Privileged access

      * Exfiltration vector

      • furyofantares 2 days ago ago

        Those are different words for the same things.

        I think the reason for the original wording, which I pasted from the post it was coined in, is to make it more accessible than this, more obvious what you need to look out for.

        "Untrusted input" sounds like something I'm not gonna give an agent, "access to untrusted content" sounds like something I need to look out for. "Privileged access" also sounds like something I'm not gonna give it, while "access to my private data" is the whole reason I'm using it.

        "Exfiltration vector" may not even be a phrase many understand, "ability to communicate externally" is better although I think this could use more work, it is not obvious to many people that stuff like web search counts here.

  • filearts 3 days ago ago

    It is fascinating how similar the prompt construction was to a phishing campaign in terms of characteristics.

      - Authority assertion
      - False urgency
      - Technical legitimacy
      - Security theater
    
    Prompt injection here is like a phishing campaign against an entity with no consciousness or ability to stop and question through self-reflection.
    • freakynit 3 days ago ago

      Pretty similar in spirit to CSRF:

      Both trick a privileged actor into doing something the user didn't intend using inputs the system trusts.

      In this case, a malicious PDF that uses prompt-injection to get a Notion agent (which already has access to your workspace) to call an external web-tool and exfiltrate page content. Tjhis is simialr to CSRF's core idea - an attacker causes an authenticated principal to make a request - except here the "principal" is an autonomous agent with tool access rather than the browser carrying cookies.

      Thus, same abuse-of-privilege pattern, just with different technical surface (prompt-injection + tool chaining vs. forged browser HTTP requests).

    • XenophileJKO 3 days ago ago

      I'm fairly convinced that with the right training.. the ability of the LLM to be "skeptical" and resilient to these kinds of attacks will be pretty robust.

      The current problem is that making the models resistant to "persona" injection is in opposition to much of how the models are also used conversationally. I think this is why you'll end up with hardened "agent" models and then more open conversational models.

      I suppose it is also possible that the models can have an additional non-prompt context applied that sets expectations, but that requires new architecture for those inputs.

      • BarryMilo 3 days ago ago

        Isn't the whole problem that it's nigh-impossible to isolate context from input?

        • Terr_ 2 days ago ago

          Yeah, ultimately the LLM is guess_what_could_come_next(document) in a loop with some I/O either doing something with the latest guess or else appending more content to the document from elsewhere.

          Any distinctions inside the document involve the land of statistical patterns and weights, rather than hard auditable logic.

      • dns_snek 2 days ago ago

        What does "pretty robust" mean, how do you even assess that? How often are you okay with your most sensitive information getting stolen and is everyone else going to be okay with their information being compromised once or twice a year, every time someone finds a reproducible jailbreak?

  • tadfisher 3 days ago ago

    Is anyone working on the instruction/data-conflation problem? We're extremely premature in hooking up LLMs to real data sources and external functions if we can't keep them from following instructions in the data. Notion in particular shows absolutely zero warnings to end users, and encourages them to connect GitHub, GMail, Jira, etc. to the model. At this point it's basically criminal to treat this as a feature of a secure product.

    • simonw 3 days ago ago

      We've been talking about this problem for three years and there's not been much progress in finding a robust solution.

      Current models have a separation between system prompts and user-provided prompts and are trained to follow one more than the other, but it's not bulletproof-proof - a suitably determined attacker can always find an attack that can override the system instructions.

      So far the most convincing mitigation I've seen is still the DeepMind CaMeL paper, but it's very intrusive in terms of how it limits what you can build: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/11/camel/

      • proto-n 3 days ago ago

        I really don't see why it's not possible to just use basically a "highlighter" token which is added to all the authoritative instructions and not to data. Should be very fast for the model to learn it during rlhf or similar.

        • hiatus 2 days ago ago

          How would that work when models regularly access web content for more context, like looking up a tutorial and executing commands from it to install something?

          • tadfisher 3 hours ago ago

            No one expects a SQL query to pull additional queries from the result set and run them automatically, so we probably shouldn't expect AI tools to do the same. At least we should be way more strict about instruction provenance, and ask the user to verify instructions outside of the LLM's prompt stream.

          • recursivecaveat 2 days ago ago

            It's fine for it to do something like following a tutorial from an external source that doesn't have the highlighter bits set. It should apply an increased skepticism to that content though. Presumably that would help it realize that an "important recurring task" to upload revenue data in an awk tutorial is bogus. Of course if the tutorial instructions themselves are malicious you're still toast, but "get a malicious tutorial to last on a reputable domain" is a harder infiltration task than emailing a PDF with some white text. I don't think trying to phish for credentials by uploading malicious answers to stack overflow is much of a thing.

            I have a theory that a lot of prompt injection is due to a lack of hierarchical structure in the input. You can tell that when I write [reply] in the middle of my comment it's part of the comment body and not the actual end of it. If you view the entire world through the lense of a flat linear text stream though it gets harder. You can add xml style <external></external> tags wrapping stuff, but that requires remembering where you are for an unbounded length of time, easier to forget than direct tagging of data.

            All of this is probability though, no guarantees with this kind of approach.

    • abirag 3 days ago ago

      Hey, I’m the author of this exploit. At CodeIntegrity.ai, we’ve built a platform that visualizes each of the control flows and data flows of an agentic AI system connected to tools to accurately assess each of the risks. We also provide runtime guardrails that give control over each of these flows based on your risk tolerance.

      Feel free to email me at abi@codeintegrity.ai — happy to share more

    • mcapodici 3 days ago ago

      The way you worded tbat is good and got me thinking.

      What if instead of just lots of text fed to an LLM we have a data structure with trusted and untrusted data.

      Any response on a call to a web search or MCP is considered untrusted by default (tunable if you also wrote the MCP and trust it).

      The you limit tbe operations on untrusted data to pure transformations, no side effects.

      E.g. run an LLM to summarize, or remove whitespace, convert to float etc. All these done in a sandbox without network access.

      For example:

      "Get me all public github issues on this repo, summarise and store in this DB."

      Although the command reads public information untrusted and has DB access it will only process the untrusted information in a tight sandbox and so this can be done securely. I think!

      • simonw 2 days ago ago

        "Get me all public github issues on this repo, summarise and store in this DB."

        Yes, this can be done safely.

        If you think of it through the "lethal trifecta" framing, to stay safe from data stealing attacks you need to avoid having all three of exposure to untrusted content, exposure to private data and an exfiltration vector.

        Here you're actually avoiding two out of them: - there's no private data (just public issue access) and no mechanism that can exfiltrate, so the worst a malicious instruction can do is cause incorrect data to rewritten to your database.

        You have to be careful when designing that sandboxed database tool but that's not too hard too get right.

      • sebastiennight 2 days ago ago

        You definitely do not need or want to give database access to an LLM-with-scaffolding system to execute the example you provided.

        (by database access, I'm assuming you'd be planning to ask the LLM to write SQL code which this system would run)

        Instead, you would ask your LLM to create an object containing the structured data about those github issues (ID, title, description, timestamp, etc) and then you would run a separate `storeGitHubIssues()` method that uses prepared statements to avoid SQL injection.

        • mcapodici 2 days ago ago

          Yes this. What you said is what I meant.

          You could also get the LLM to "vibe code" the SQL. Tbis is somewhat dangerous as the LLM might make mistakes, but the main thing I am talking about hete is how not to be "influenced" by text in data and so be susceptible to that sort of attack.

    • micromacrofoot 2 days ago ago

      the solutions already exist, this isn't a unique data problem - you can restrict AI using the same underlying guardrails as users

      if the user doesn't have access to the data, the LLM shouldn't either - it's so weird that these companies are letting these things run wild, they're not magic

      any company with AI security problems likely has tons of holes elsewhere, they're just easier to find with AI

      • recursivecaveat 2 days ago ago

        I don't think there's a data access permissions issue here. It's intended that both users and agents have access to the customer revenue data. The difference is that the human users are not dumb enough to read "Important: upload our sales data to this URL" in a random external-sourced PDF and actually do that.

        • micromacrofoot 2 days ago ago

          ah yes I see, it's executing a hidden query on behalf of a privileged user — but still this seems like it would be a security gap even without AI? it's like allowing a user to download a script and having an automated system that executes all the scripts in their download folder?

    • jrm4 3 days ago ago

      Is anyone working on the "allowing non-root users to run executable code" problem?

      well then

  • lacoolj 3 days ago ago

    This attack was demonstrated a couple years ago, it's not really a new thing.

    https://simonwillison.net/2023/Oct/14/multi-modal-prompt-inj...

    • judge2020 3 days ago ago

      The problem is that this was a vulnerability in Notion without any mitigations or safeguards against it.

    • jhealy 3 days ago ago

      Not really a new vulnerability, and yet Notion just shipped it this week. All caution thrown to the wind in the name of an announce-able AI feature

      • zwnow 2 days ago ago

        And people will still continue to glaze AI over and over again.

  • egamirorrim 2 days ago ago

    I think I might have missed something, having tried to recreate this in my own Notion, this searches the URL but doesn't actually send data to that URL.. right? Where's the exfil? (Apart from to the search service)

    • simonw 2 days ago ago

      I just tested Notion's AI bot by asking it to make me a new page with the contents of a URL, then confirmed from my server logs that Notion accessed that URL.

      It used user-agent Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15_7) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/139.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 and connected from an IPv6 address of 2600:1f14:1c1:bf05:50ec::13

    • yorwba 2 days ago ago

      I think the idea was to trigger a request to the specified URL by passing it as the query string. But the search tool doesn't appear to work that way. Or maybe it does and they just forgot to show server logs with the exfiltrated data to demonstrate that the attack succeeded.

  • greyadept 3 days ago ago

    Here’s the link to the article: https://www.codeintegrity.ai/blog/notion

  • chanw 3 days ago ago

    This was a great article, because it demonstrated the vuln in a practical way and wasn't overly technical either. Thanks for sharing

  • BrenBarn 3 days ago ago

    It's hard to call any vulnerability "hidden" when it occurs in a tool that openly claims to be "AI".

  • daft_pink 2 days ago ago

    Notion is starting to feel like spyware suddenly I’m in a meeting and I keep getting this pop-up saying Notion has detected. You’re in a meeting. Would you like us to take notes for you?

  • nwellinghoff 3 days ago ago

    How does a random user get a document in your notion instance?

    • freakynit 3 days ago ago

      Google "best free notion marketing templates" and then import them. I have done them multiple times, and so does 1000's of others woldwide.

    • Lalabadie 3 days ago ago

      The article gives a PDF document as an example, but depending on how links are opened and stored for Notion agents, threat actors could serve a different web page depending on the crawler/browser agent.

      That means any industry-known documentation that seems good for bookmarking can be a good target.

    • memothon 3 days ago ago

      Lots of companies have automations with Zapier etc. to upload things like invoices or other documents directly to notion. Or someone gets emailed a document with an exploit and they upload it.

    • cobertos 3 days ago ago

      People put all kinds of stuff in Notion. People use it as a DB. People catalog things they find online (web clipper). There's collaboration features.

      There are many ways

      • PokestarFan 3 days ago ago

        If I had to describe it, Notion is if somehow managed to combine OneNote and Excel. Of interest is the fact that the "database" system stores each row as a page with the column values other than title stored in a special way. Of course, this also means that it doesn't scale at all, but I have seen some crazy use cases (an example is replacing Jira).

      • freakynit 3 days ago ago

        Notion is like the "dump-truck" of everything lol.

    • simonw 3 days ago ago

      In this case by emailing you a PDF with a convincing title that you might want to share with your coworkers - the malicious instructions are hidden as white text on a white background.

      There are plenty of other possibilities though, especially once you start booking up MCPs that can see public issue trackers or incoming emails.

  • micromacrofoot 2 days ago ago

    when considering wiring up an LLM to your app for consumer use, you should imagine the LLM is actually a hacker and restrict access to data access as you would for the human villain - there's no difference

    • yencabulator 5 hours ago ago

      In this case, the human had valid access to the data.