We Shall Fight in the Buttery – Oxford's War 1939–1945

(literaryreview.co.uk)

47 points | by andrewl 10 hours ago ago

10 comments

  • bloopernova 11 minutes ago ago

    Somewhat related, being a book on science and world war 2:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1127842.Most_Secret_War

    Dr R V Jones' Most Secret War is amazing, funny, easy to get into, and tells a great story too:

    "R.V. Jones's account of his part in British Scientific Intelligence between 1939 and 1949. It was his responsibility to anticipate German applications of science to warfare, so that their new weapons could be countered before they were used. Much of his work had to do with radio navigation, as in the Battle of the Beams, with radar, as in the Allied Bomber Offensive and in the preparations for D-Day and in the war at sea.

    He was also in charge of intelligence against the V-1 (flying bomb) and the V-2 (rocket) retaliations weapons and, although the Germans were some distance away from success, against their nuclear weapons."

  • pimlottc 5 hours ago ago

    Can someone explain the title? I get that it's a reference to Churchill's famous "We shall fight on the beaches" speech [0], but why "buttery"? Does it have some particularly significance with regards to Oxford?

    0: https://winstonchurchill.org/resources/speeches/1940-the-fin...

    • milanhbs 5 hours ago ago

      Historically a storeroom for provisions in monasteries, in Oxford colleges it is where students get their food. Edit: To clarify, it is pretty much the cafeteria kitchen.

      • nextos 4 hours ago ago

        Oxford colleges use quite a lot of antique jargon. Battel is also something related that took me a while to figure out.

        A battel is an account of items supplied by a buttery, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battel.

        • QuercusMax 2 hours ago ago

          And they pronounce 'Magdalen' as 'maudlin' because that's briefly how people pronounced it hundreds of years ago.

      • KineticLensman 3 hours ago ago

        > To clarify, it is pretty much the cafeteria kitchen

        Well, the college refectory - canteen

    • sahmeepee 2 hours ago ago
  • Aromasin 8 hours ago ago

    The Cowley Motor Company factory they mention is still operational and building the Mini to this day (although now owned by the German automaker BWM!)

  • petesergeant 7 hours ago ago

    As both town and gown, it's always nice to read about Oxford history. The article doesn't touch on the huge contribution made by students "in the trenches" too so to speak; the UK upper-classes having an unusually strong military tradition. I was reflecting today about the exceptional poetry that came out of the UK during WWI, and I guess academic progress in the UK during WWII is perhaps that war's equivalent

    • jlarcombe 2 hours ago ago

      Yes, the sight of 60 names on the WW1 memorial board in the JCR at Lincoln was always quite sobering, considering what the student population must have been in 1914. It's still a small college but that would have been an enormous proportion at the time.