As somebody who just did job interviews, tech like this is why the job market has somehow become even worse in the LLM age.
You want to know why people are using AI to read your resume? Because tools like this are clogging job inboxes with hundreds of submissions per day.
Also, don't think this makes you special, we can tell when something is written by AI. Not only do you not look smart, you look like the 100s of the people who thought they could get one over but instead your resumes all read the same and say a whole lot of nothing.
This isn't a criticism of the tool or the people using it. More a rumination on how an already horrible process has someone become so bad that tools like this feel like a good idea to people.
> You want to know why people are using AI to read your resume? Because tools like this are clogging job inboxes with hundreds of submissions per day.
While I sympathize with the sentiment, it's important to note that companies were using algorithms to screen resumes long before LLMs became an option for generating job applications. Job applicants have long been accustomed to trying to guess which keywords to use to make it through HR filters and then submitting the application with only the faintest hope that it will ever be seen by an actual human.
LLM tech allows applicants to play the same game and in the process makes the problem even worse—driving more companies to use algorithmic screening even more aggressively—but applicants did not fire the first shots, they merely responded in kind.
From the hiring side: I would like good candidates to use tooling to apply to jobs. Then I’m more likely to get an application from you. But the applicant better apply some quality control to their tooling. It’s a turn-off to get a LinkedIn “I’m excited about your job opening” message where the content isn’t correctly substituted.
However, I think that what is actually happening is that tooling is more often used by more desperate candidates.
When you write tooling, do you mean "please use our HR platform to enter your resume", and then one has to enter for the 123rd time his whole career with every single date ?
If it's that, that's not tooling, that's "if he/she really wants the job, then he'll do it anyway". No thx.
People were most certainly simultaneously using the much dumber predecessors to AI to read gobs of resumes whilst forcing candidates to spend 15 minutes transcribing their resumes into whatever slow web forms years prior not to mention longer yet on automated tests, writing about ourselves, or in one case writing a short story! Turn about is fair play.
I can’t think of the right concept - tragedy of the commons, prisoner’s dilemma?
Each individual has an incentive to use products like this because it should maximize their chances. However, if enough people do it, everyone’s chances essentially go to zero since the hiring person can’t tell two applications apart. It seems like we’ve already reached this point in the job market.
I, thankfully, am not looking for a job currently, but I think I’d do what other people aren’t doing - make in person connections in my local area.
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Check if the job listings you're targeting actually have the "Easy Apply" option
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Try increasing the wait time for page loading in the script to ensure all elements are loaded before searching for the button
This is part of the "why Easy Apply" jobs on job sites are the last things that are checked and only looked at when the pool of applicants who applied on the company site have been drained.
If there are good candidates who applied on the company website, the applications that these bots generate never see a human eyeball for consideration.
So when does it get to the point that instead of spamming as many applications as possible directly into the round file it makes more sense to go in the opposite direction, and find a decent recruiter who you can talk to in person and who has actual people they know?
Always been that way, at least from my personal experience. Actual face time with some recruiters in your area helps you stand out amongst the crowd. I would say out of the last 10 tech jobs:
- 7 of them were sourced from recruiters I have known over the years
We’re already past that point. If you thought connections were important before…they’re even more important now, as the volume of noise on both sides is deafening.
I have never had to spam anything and all of the places I've been have come from relationships I have built. Actually started out from relationships I built when online gaming, so not real life, but online relationships. And people used to claim that gaming is a waste of time! Also without education (self learned coding) and without mentors or any pre existing connections in the industry.
I wish that was a joke. Sadly the quality of mostly human submitted applications has already gone downhill thanks to the ease of blasting untargeted CV spam to every even remotely relevant sounding job.
As long as it starts every email with “I hope this email finds you well. I’m writing to …” it’ll be easy to spot these submissions and apply whatever your organization’s policy is for AI-Aided applications.
Sure, but it introduces an invisible barrier for applicants. Someone who accidentally starts their email that way because they didn't know that hiring managers are doing this kind of filtering accidentally trigger the filter. That's not a problem for the hiring managers, but it adds one more reason why an applicant might get disqualified in a process that is already frustratingly opaque for applicants.
I’m hiring at the moment, and the last batch of applications from the HN who’s hiring thread had about 50% LLM generated cover letters.
Instant rejection. People applying: no cover letter is better than an LLM cover letter that’s telling me “how passionate you are about $VARIABLE1, and how you’re interested in learning more about $VARIABLE2”
I am absolutely, 100% certain, that AI is already destroying the job market. Its breaking in ways no one would have predicted, its causing insane damage to job mobility, and frankly there is zero indication that further advances in underlying technology will fix the problems the current imperfect tech has created (like, one might say is the case for e.g. image-gen)
Here's one thing I'd say right off the bat: I applied to a role at OpenAI about eight months ago. I have a resume that, while certainly not the best, is definitely qualified for this role, and is entirely human written. I have not heard back, in the positive or negative. The job opening is still posted.
I suspect this is a common story in many companies, because I have been on the hiring side this year. At a small-ish startup, which no one has heard of (relatively speaking), we posted a new mid-level software engineering role on only our own job board; we never got to broadcasting it to linkedin or within our local networks because, within the first 24 hours we received 800 applications. Our aging CTO was blown away, wow there must be so many fantastic candidates we'll work all night to sort through these; and I had to break it to him, man, its AI. But, ok, let's remain hopeful.
- Using a combination of human might and HRIS AI tooling, we narrowed down the list down and started scheduling interviews. This was extremely expensive (person-hours + how expensive these HRIS tools are).
- Many (~30%) of the applications were ghosts. We'd email them back trying to get an interview scheduled, and get no response. In a few cases we got email delivery bounce-backs.
- But, after doing a handful of screening interviews, it became abundantly clear that many of the resumes were straight-up lies, not just concerning their depth of experience, but even the specific technologies ("Oh, I don't have much experience with React." "Your resume says you do..."). My leading theory is that there's some AI Job application tool out there which will both automatically apply to jobs for you, and generate a resume which is well-matched to the job description. A couple of the candidates seemed to be oblivious as to why their resume said what it said; but certainly if it were happening at scale most would have just lied about it.
We paused the process, as it was clear that even with our HR generalist and me trying to sort through the slop every day for a week we have no way to trust the applications that were coming in. Fortunately, around the time we started wondering what we'd do, an old buddy came across my radar as looking for a new role; he did one interview with the CTO, I vouched for him, we extended an offer, and its been a great hire.
The conclusion to this story: blind applications and blind job posts are dead. They do not work anymore. I had one former colleague tell me "I've applied to 800 jobs, I'm not finding anything, no one is even calling me back" yeah you're not adapting, my dude. The problem isn't the tech industry, its not the economy, its not you: its AI. I'm aware of one company in our local tech scene that won't even broadcast roles on the public internet anymore; we have private social networks in our 2nd tier US city that they exclusively share through. If you don't have a network; you're toast.
The new grads coming out of college are so fucked, its not funny, its not ok.
As somebody who just did job interviews, tech like this is why the job market has somehow become even worse in the LLM age.
You want to know why people are using AI to read your resume? Because tools like this are clogging job inboxes with hundreds of submissions per day.
Also, don't think this makes you special, we can tell when something is written by AI. Not only do you not look smart, you look like the 100s of the people who thought they could get one over but instead your resumes all read the same and say a whole lot of nothing.
This isn't a criticism of the tool or the people using it. More a rumination on how an already horrible process has someone become so bad that tools like this feel like a good idea to people.
> You want to know why people are using AI to read your resume? Because tools like this are clogging job inboxes with hundreds of submissions per day.
While I sympathize with the sentiment, it's important to note that companies were using algorithms to screen resumes long before LLMs became an option for generating job applications. Job applicants have long been accustomed to trying to guess which keywords to use to make it through HR filters and then submitting the application with only the faintest hope that it will ever be seen by an actual human.
LLM tech allows applicants to play the same game and in the process makes the problem even worse—driving more companies to use algorithmic screening even more aggressively—but applicants did not fire the first shots, they merely responded in kind.
> You want to know why people are using AI to read your resume? Because (of) tools like this
Do 8 in 10 recruiters [1] also post ghost jobs - making job seekers lose their time - also because of tools like this?
Only recruiters had the leverage of AI. Now the other party has the same leverage.
[1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/looking-struggle-headhunters-...
Back to old school networking?
connecting with actual people at events/hackathons/mailing lists.
Got to brush up on those soft skills ;)
From the hiring side: I would like good candidates to use tooling to apply to jobs. Then I’m more likely to get an application from you. But the applicant better apply some quality control to their tooling. It’s a turn-off to get a LinkedIn “I’m excited about your job opening” message where the content isn’t correctly substituted.
However, I think that what is actually happening is that tooling is more often used by more desperate candidates.
When you write tooling, do you mean "please use our HR platform to enter your resume", and then one has to enter for the 123rd time his whole career with every single date ?
If it's that, that's not tooling, that's "if he/she really wants the job, then he'll do it anyway". No thx.
People were most certainly simultaneously using the much dumber predecessors to AI to read gobs of resumes whilst forcing candidates to spend 15 minutes transcribing their resumes into whatever slow web forms years prior not to mention longer yet on automated tests, writing about ourselves, or in one case writing a short story! Turn about is fair play.
Ah yes, the "but he started it!" defense for bad behavior. If only there were parents and teachers we could call in to defuse the situation.
Yeah what a world that would be
I can’t think of the right concept - tragedy of the commons, prisoner’s dilemma?
Each individual has an incentive to use products like this because it should maximize their chances. However, if enough people do it, everyone’s chances essentially go to zero since the hiring person can’t tell two applications apart. It seems like we’ve already reached this point in the job market.
I, thankfully, am not looking for a job currently, but I think I’d do what other people aren’t doing - make in person connections in my local area.
Market for Lemons?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons
https://github.com/feder-cr/Auto_Jobs_Applier_AIHawk?tab=rea...
This is part of the "why Easy Apply" jobs on job sites are the last things that are checked and only looked at when the pool of applicants who applied on the company site have been drained.If there are good candidates who applied on the company website, the applications that these bots generate never see a human eyeball for consideration.
So when does it get to the point that instead of spamming as many applications as possible directly into the round file it makes more sense to go in the opposite direction, and find a decent recruiter who you can talk to in person and who has actual people they know?
Always been that way, at least from my personal experience. Actual face time with some recruiters in your area helps you stand out amongst the crowd. I would say out of the last 10 tech jobs:
- 7 of them were sourced from recruiters I have known over the years
- 1 as recommendation from a previous coworker
- 3 from directly applying
> I would say out of the last 10 tech jobs:
Ten jobs? In what period?
That is a lot of jobs for one person.
This is roughly 7-8 yrs. During some stints, I was there for 3-4 months (ie, toxic work environment, shitty leadership, clueless managers).
Let's say 10 jobs over 10 years. Not a lot for a contractor
We’re already past that point. If you thought connections were important before…they’re even more important now, as the volume of noise on both sides is deafening.
I have never had to spam anything and all of the places I've been have come from relationships I have built. Actually started out from relationships I built when online gaming, so not real life, but online relationships. And people used to claim that gaming is a waste of time! Also without education (self learned coding) and without mentors or any pre existing connections in the industry.
About a year ago?
I wish that was a joke. Sadly the quality of mostly human submitted applications has already gone downhill thanks to the ease of blasting untargeted CV spam to every even remotely relevant sounding job.
Most tech jobs are done by an LLM anyway. It's only logical that the LLM also applies for the job.
Have been seeing “include ‘some_code’ text somewhere in your resume” requirements in job postings lately.
Wonder if bots and AI would pick up on that. Maybe bots and AI are the reason those requirements exist
I would assume the good LLMs would. Probably do a better job than humans
Plot twist: those instructions are written with white text on white background and serve to eliminate AI-generated resumés.
As long as it starts every email with “I hope this email finds you well. I’m writing to …” it’ll be easy to spot these submissions and apply whatever your organization’s policy is for AI-Aided applications.
Really? Nobody else would use that?
Almost like we need to develop a new language where the license for use does not allow training on ai. Like ww2 when Navajo was used…
Because it’s ridiculous to think we can’t use proper English for fear of being labeled an ai!
Haha AI users do not care about licensing!
You do know other ways to start a formal email, don’t you? :)
That’s the point. Will I have to resort to using informal English to not be labeled AI?
For instance, sup.
Sure, but it introduces an invisible barrier for applicants. Someone who accidentally starts their email that way because they didn't know that hiring managers are doing this kind of filtering accidentally trigger the filter. That's not a problem for the hiring managers, but it adds one more reason why an applicant might get disqualified in a process that is already frustratingly opaque for applicants.
Why you see a 1000 jobs applications submitted in less than a day for a single software eng. job.
I’m hiring at the moment, and the last batch of applications from the HN who’s hiring thread had about 50% LLM generated cover letters.
Instant rejection. People applying: no cover letter is better than an LLM cover letter that’s telling me “how passionate you are about $VARIABLE1, and how you’re interested in learning more about $VARIABLE2”
I’m on the application side and I’m curious, what role do cover letters fulfill in your hiring pipeline?
P.S. Do you need an MLE?
I am absolutely, 100% certain, that AI is already destroying the job market. Its breaking in ways no one would have predicted, its causing insane damage to job mobility, and frankly there is zero indication that further advances in underlying technology will fix the problems the current imperfect tech has created (like, one might say is the case for e.g. image-gen)
Here's one thing I'd say right off the bat: I applied to a role at OpenAI about eight months ago. I have a resume that, while certainly not the best, is definitely qualified for this role, and is entirely human written. I have not heard back, in the positive or negative. The job opening is still posted.
I suspect this is a common story in many companies, because I have been on the hiring side this year. At a small-ish startup, which no one has heard of (relatively speaking), we posted a new mid-level software engineering role on only our own job board; we never got to broadcasting it to linkedin or within our local networks because, within the first 24 hours we received 800 applications. Our aging CTO was blown away, wow there must be so many fantastic candidates we'll work all night to sort through these; and I had to break it to him, man, its AI. But, ok, let's remain hopeful.
- Using a combination of human might and HRIS AI tooling, we narrowed down the list down and started scheduling interviews. This was extremely expensive (person-hours + how expensive these HRIS tools are).
- Many (~30%) of the applications were ghosts. We'd email them back trying to get an interview scheduled, and get no response. In a few cases we got email delivery bounce-backs.
- But, after doing a handful of screening interviews, it became abundantly clear that many of the resumes were straight-up lies, not just concerning their depth of experience, but even the specific technologies ("Oh, I don't have much experience with React." "Your resume says you do..."). My leading theory is that there's some AI Job application tool out there which will both automatically apply to jobs for you, and generate a resume which is well-matched to the job description. A couple of the candidates seemed to be oblivious as to why their resume said what it said; but certainly if it were happening at scale most would have just lied about it.
We paused the process, as it was clear that even with our HR generalist and me trying to sort through the slop every day for a week we have no way to trust the applications that were coming in. Fortunately, around the time we started wondering what we'd do, an old buddy came across my radar as looking for a new role; he did one interview with the CTO, I vouched for him, we extended an offer, and its been a great hire.
The conclusion to this story: blind applications and blind job posts are dead. They do not work anymore. I had one former colleague tell me "I've applied to 800 jobs, I'm not finding anything, no one is even calling me back" yeah you're not adapting, my dude. The problem isn't the tech industry, its not the economy, its not you: its AI. I'm aware of one company in our local tech scene that won't even broadcast roles on the public internet anymore; we have private social networks in our 2nd tier US city that they exclusively share through. If you don't have a network; you're toast.
The new grads coming out of college are so fucked, its not funny, its not ok.
Apply jobs to what?
(Submitted title was "AIHawk: AI bot to automatically apply jobs" - we've fixed the grammar now)