When exactly were your college years? College tuition has been growing by 3.6% per year. Rent had been growing by about 3.5% per year, and has accelerated higher recently. If you were accepted to the same university today, and worked the same sort of jobs that you worked back then, would you still be able to afford it?
I went back to graduate school a few years ago and tuition was very affordable.
Rent would have been difficult to afford, but it's hard to see any reason the government should fund student's rent in particular while other people have to pay.
> it's hard to see any reason the government should fund student's rent in particular while other people have to pay
The government disagrees, and has decreed that a student's rent (a.k.a. "room and board") is, along with tuition and books, one of the expenses that student loans can be used to pay for.
You are simply mad it doesn't benefit you directly, the problem with most people nowadays.
I also paid mine back, but I'm glad this is happening. I'm also angry we don't use the funds for ie veterans instead and I also would like reform with the bailout.
As you can hopefully see it's a very nuanced issue and you can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
I am mad that I am paying for others' bad decisions, yes! The terms on the loans were clearly explained. They agreed to them.
My action is to teach my kids that in today's world, being responsible is idiotic, since uncle sam will just force those who are responsible to pay for your idiocy anyways!
Remove all charges on the debt associated with interest growth over 2-3% per year.
Limit all new student debt to a maximum of 2-3% interest.
Cap tuition everywhere - you could ease into this by the federal government steadily decreasing caps and simultaneously reducing loan amounts.
Put everyone on an income-based payment plan with a guaranteed 10-year payoff timelimit if they make all their payments (reasonable forgiveness on timely payments but more than a month late or so and that gets added on to the end of the 10-year limit).
Congress has no will to reform unfortunately, so you do what you can with what you have. Go forward improves due to pre-college cohorts substantially devaluing a college education and therefore avoiding it (and the loans attached) [1] [2].
To note, some employers are starting to drop the credential requirement [3] [4] [5]. If you can hire without it, why are you asking for it?
I tend to agree, and I'm not against student loan help (I paid my loans off years ago). Something along the lines of tuition caps in order to receive loans backed by the federal government (similar to how insurance companies cap what they pay regardless of what the medical provider bills)
That's not how federal student loans work. You can't borrow unlimited amounts to cover any amount of tuition, and unlike insurance companies, it's not the government paying the bill. For instance, you can only get $5500 for the first year. Tuition caps would be an orthogonal policy.
I'm aware of the caps and the fact that the loans are backed, not paid, by the government. However, attaching conditions to eligibility is a tool the government can wield.
The economics of higher education in the United States are definitely ripe for reform—especially for public institutions—but I think we have much better places to be looking for ideas than the health insurance industry.
That was just an analogy, not the source of the idea. Government has been playing the carrots and sticks game a lot longer than the insurance industry.
Student loan forgiveness probably one of the most unconscionable financial policies being pursued right now. Extracting wealth from the average person and giving it to the top 25% of lifetime earners, all over debt they agreed to take on.
I feel like such a chump actually working throughout my college years and paying for my own college.
I will be sure to teach my kids to not repeat my mistakes.
When exactly were your college years? College tuition has been growing by 3.6% per year. Rent had been growing by about 3.5% per year, and has accelerated higher recently. If you were accepted to the same university today, and worked the same sort of jobs that you worked back then, would you still be able to afford it?
2005-2008
I was running a contract software development business, so yes, i would.
I went back to graduate school a few years ago and tuition was very affordable.
Rent would have been difficult to afford, but it's hard to see any reason the government should fund student's rent in particular while other people have to pay.
> it's hard to see any reason the government should fund student's rent in particular while other people have to pay
The government disagrees, and has decreed that a student's rent (a.k.a. "room and board") is, along with tuition and books, one of the expenses that student loans can be used to pay for.
“It was hard for me so it should be hard for everyone else forever”?
Try it with other examples: “when I had cancer the only treatment was really harsh chemo, the new drugs today make it way easier and that’s unfair”
You really don’t see the difference?
New chemo was not available back then. Having a job is not a new concept.
You are missing the forest for the trees.
You are simply mad it doesn't benefit you directly, the problem with most people nowadays.
I also paid mine back, but I'm glad this is happening. I'm also angry we don't use the funds for ie veterans instead and I also would like reform with the bailout.
As you can hopefully see it's a very nuanced issue and you can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
I am mad that I am paying for others' bad decisions, yes! The terms on the loans were clearly explained. They agreed to them.
My action is to teach my kids that in today's world, being responsible is idiotic, since uncle sam will just force those who are responsible to pay for your idiocy anyways!
Do you think the ratio between an average wage and an average tuition has remained constant lmao
I graduated undergrad about 20 years ago, and a masters a few years ago.
So I know that, yes, at the school I went to, the ratio between an average wage and an average tuition has remained roughly constant.
I think the ability to read a contract has decreased
I feel bad for those who have their lives ruined by student debt without compensating income, but I need some reform with any bailout.
Remove all charges on the debt associated with interest growth over 2-3% per year.
Limit all new student debt to a maximum of 2-3% interest.
Cap tuition everywhere - you could ease into this by the federal government steadily decreasing caps and simultaneously reducing loan amounts.
Put everyone on an income-based payment plan with a guaranteed 10-year payoff timelimit if they make all their payments (reasonable forgiveness on timely payments but more than a month late or so and that gets added on to the end of the 10-year limit).
Not easy for any party, but pretty fair IMHO.
2-3% is currently too low. I say just cap it to FED rate + 1%. After all it is government backed so rate should be same as fed rate.
Congress has no will to reform unfortunately, so you do what you can with what you have. Go forward improves due to pre-college cohorts substantially devaluing a college education and therefore avoiding it (and the loans attached) [1] [2].
To note, some employers are starting to drop the credential requirement [3] [4] [5]. If you can hire without it, why are you asking for it?
[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/05/23/is-coll...
[2] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/23/is-college-worth-the-cost.ht...
[3] https://www.npr.org/2024/08/26/nx-s1-5084214/why-states-are-...
[4] https://www.highereddive.com/news/nearly-half-of-companies-p...
[5] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/22/1-in-3-companies-are-ditchin...
I tend to agree, and I'm not against student loan help (I paid my loans off years ago). Something along the lines of tuition caps in order to receive loans backed by the federal government (similar to how insurance companies cap what they pay regardless of what the medical provider bills)
That's not how federal student loans work. You can't borrow unlimited amounts to cover any amount of tuition, and unlike insurance companies, it's not the government paying the bill. For instance, you can only get $5500 for the first year. Tuition caps would be an orthogonal policy.
I'm aware of the caps and the fact that the loans are backed, not paid, by the government. However, attaching conditions to eligibility is a tool the government can wield.
Just make them dismissable in bankruptcy and the lenders will figure out how to lend responsibly
The economics of higher education in the United States are definitely ripe for reform—especially for public institutions—but I think we have much better places to be looking for ideas than the health insurance industry.
That was just an analogy, not the source of the idea. Government has been playing the carrots and sticks game a lot longer than the insurance industry.
Student loan forgiveness probably one of the most unconscionable financial policies being pursued right now. Extracting wealth from the average person and giving it to the top 25% of lifetime earners, all over debt they agreed to take on.
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