17 comments

  • APublicMan 8 hours ago ago

    I feel bad for those who have their lives ruined by student debt without compensating income, but I need some reform with any bailout.

    • Ancalagon 2 hours ago ago

      Remove all charges on the debt associated with interest growth over 2-3% per year.

      Limit all new student debt to a maximum of 2-3% interest.

      Cap tuition everywhere - you could ease into this by the federal government steadily decreasing caps and simultaneously reducing loan amounts.

      Put everyone on an income-based payment plan with a guaranteed 10-year payoff timelimit if they make all their payments (reasonable forgiveness on timely payments but more than a month late or so and that gets added on to the end of the 10-year limit).

      Not easy for any party, but pretty fair IMHO.

    • toomuchtodo 7 hours ago ago

      Congress has no will to reform unfortunately, so you do what you can with what you have. Go forward improves due to pre-college cohorts substantially devaluing a college education and therefore avoiding it (and the loans attached) [1] [2].

      To note, some employers are starting to drop the credential requirement [3] [4] [5]. If you can hire without it, why are you asking for it?

      [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/05/23/is-coll...

      [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/23/is-college-worth-the-cost.ht...

      [3] https://www.npr.org/2024/08/26/nx-s1-5084214/why-states-are-...

      [4] https://www.highereddive.com/news/nearly-half-of-companies-p...

      [5] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/22/1-in-3-companies-are-ditchin...

    • bdcravens 8 hours ago ago

      I tend to agree, and I'm not against student loan help (I paid my loans off years ago). Something along the lines of tuition caps in order to receive loans backed by the federal government (similar to how insurance companies cap what they pay regardless of what the medical provider bills)

      • bachmeier 8 hours ago ago

        That's not how federal student loans work. You can't borrow unlimited amounts to cover any amount of tuition, and unlike insurance companies, it's not the government paying the bill. For instance, you can only get $5500 for the first year. Tuition caps would be an orthogonal policy.

        • bdcravens 7 hours ago ago

          I'm aware of the caps and the fact that the loans are backed, not paid, by the government. However, attaching conditions to eligibility is a tool the government can wield.

          • llamaimperative 7 hours ago ago

            Just make them dismissable in bankruptcy and the lenders will figure out how to lend responsibly

            • bachmeier 6 hours ago ago

              This comes up so much, but there's no need to fight that battle (and it would be a big one). Put a max on the percentage of your income that needs to go to student loan repayment, like 7%, and a time limit on repayment, like 10 or 20 years.

              • llamaimperative 6 hours ago ago

                I like this concept! Though I worry how "creative" borrowers could be in suppressing their reportable income through the payback period...

      • krger 7 hours ago ago

        The economics of higher education in the United States are definitely ripe for reform—especially for public institutions—but I think we have much better places to be looking for ideas than the health insurance industry.

        • bdcravens 7 hours ago ago

          That was just an analogy, not the source of the idea. Government has been playing the carrots and sticks game a lot longer than the insurance industry.

  • dmitrygr 3 hours ago ago

    I feel like such a chump actually working throughout my college years and paying for my own college.

    I will be sure to teach my kids to not repeat my mistakes.

    • olliej an hour ago ago

      “It was hard for me so it should be hard for everyone else forever”?

      Try it with other examples: “when I had cancer the only treatment was really harsh chemo, the new drugs today make it way easier and that’s unfair”

      • dmitrygr an hour ago ago

        You really don’t see the difference?

        New chemo was not available back then. Having a job is not a new concept.

        • effingwewt 28 minutes ago ago

          You are missing the forest for the trees.

          You are simply mad it doesn't benefit you directly, the problem with most people nowadays.

          I also paid mine back, but I'm glad this is happening. I'm also angry we don't use the funds for ie veterans instead and I also would like reform with the bailout.

          As you can hopefully see it's a very nuanced issue and you can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

          • dmitrygr 26 minutes ago ago

            I am mad that I am paying for others' bad decisions, yes! The terms on the loans were clearly explained. They agreed to them.

            My action is to teach my kids that in today's world, being responsible is idiotic, since uncle sam will just force those who are responsible to pay for your idiocy anyways!

  • oldpersonintx 6 hours ago ago

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