Japan to launch first wooden satellite to combat space pollution

(theguardian.com)

55 points | by hackernj 2 years ago ago

17 comments

  • hulitu 2 years ago ago

    > Japan to launch first wooden satellite to combat space pollution

    Is it April 1st already ? They use wood becsuse it is "renewable" ? Or is it because burns better than other materials ?

  • ksec 2 years ago ago

    Off Topic Question: Doesn't Space pollution causes problem when we launch spacecraft with the risk of colliding with those debris?

  • askin4it 2 years ago ago

    Pollution free satellites = good

    Forcing everyone to use wooden satellites = bad

    Hopefully the policy makers will get it now...

    Edit: spelling

  • netsharc 2 years ago ago

    Looking forward to the Matthias Wandel build video...

  • jerzmacow 2 years ago ago

    I like the idea that they care, but cellulose at 10,000km/h is just as deadly as steel

    • kobalsky 2 years ago ago

      the article talks about the pollution of “aerosolized” aluminum particles in the atmosphere, not about the kinetic hazard.

      • xyx0826 2 years ago ago

        I’d be curious to see the actual design. How much existing aluminum are they replacing with wood? Assuming the wood is purely structural, doesn’t that leave solar panels and internal propulsion/electronics as is which happen to make up the most of a satellite’s volume?

      • mc32 2 years ago ago

        We get showered by meteors all the time, I don't see how satellites create unique pollution. Or do artificial satellites reenter earth in larger magnitudes than meteors?

        • zamadatix 2 years ago ago

          I'm with you it seems a little silly but looking into the question:

          NASA https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/meteors-meteorites/ gives the figure 44,000 kg of material falls to the Earth each day and that "Almost all" is vaporized in the atmosphere. A satellite can range from micro (~100 kg) to intermediate (~3000 kg) to extra heavy (>7000 kg). For reference Starlink started ~250 kg and the v2 are ~1250 kg. On average there should be ~10 deorbits per day at the current point, so safe to say at least an additional 25% over normal already.

          The confusion that's left is how much of the material that naturally falls to the earth each day is also consider "polluting" and whether tons of such material is noteworthy pollution to be concerned about in spaceflight (for comparison global CO2 emissions are ~36,820,000,000,000 kg per year and a liter different in rocket fuel usage probably a lot larger pollution difference).

        • ijustlovemath 2 years ago ago

          Some satellites have thick-walled chambers for spectral analysis, thick enough to have >1/10,000 chance of surviving reentry.

          We had to convince the FAA that our vacuum chamber could be made from steel and also would not survive reentry.

        • pyuser583 2 years ago ago

          Satellites decompose into very small and sharp shards. The shards them obit earth at a very high speed.

          I’m guessing meteors don’t decompose into very small and sharp shards that orbit earth at a very high speed.

          • zamadatix 2 years ago ago

            What does this have to do with the pollution being referred to in the article:

            > All the satellites which re-enter the Earth’s atmosphere burn and create tiny alumina particles, which will float in the upper atmosphere for many years,” Takao Doi, a Japanese astronaut and aerospace engineer with Kyoto University, warned recently. “Eventually, it will affect the environment of the Earth.”

            Shards or no shards, if a satellite weighs 1,000 kg then that's a maximum of 1,000 kg of aluminum particles that can burn up in the atmosphere - regardless how they do it.

        • immanentize 2 years ago ago

          The article mentions alumina particles, which is not something I'm familiar with

    • dartos 2 years ago ago

      Would it burn to ash at those speeds?